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DATE 2015-02-26
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Op donderdag 12 februari 2015 19:58:19 UTC+1 schreef Erwin:
> Op donderdag 12 februari 2015 17:02:19 UTC+1 schreef Nicola:
> > Well no, like this certainly no :) Maybe something along these lines=20
> > (paraphrasing the given-when-then constructs existing in some testing=
=20
> > tools):
> >=20
> > given two lecturers L1 and L2 and a time T
> > when L1 is teaching at time T and L2 is teaching at time T
> > then L1 and L2 are in different rooms
>=20
> ... convoluted ...

I now see why I feel so uncomfortable with this formulation, and why it doe=
sn't reveal the real FD right away.

First, yet another alternative formulation of the same.

Given two lecturers L1 and L2 and a room R
when L1 is teaching in room R and L2 is teaching in room R
then this is at different times.

The FD is {room, time} on the LHS. room and time are of equal "importance"=
here, they play "similar roles". But now look at the word usage for "room=
" and "time". Your original speaks of "different rooms" but _NOT_ of diffe=
rent times (quite the contrary) !

The _formulation_ in natural language "breaks" a certain kind of "symmetry"=
that is indeed present in the math formulation. That makes the discovery/=
analysis process harder !
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  125. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Re: Role of functional dependencies in
  126. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Role of functional dependencies in
  127. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Re: [LIU Comp Sci] Need tutoring on
  128. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Re: [LIU Comp Sci] Need tutoring on
  129. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Re: [LIU Comp Sci] Need tutoring on
  130. 2015-02-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [mrbrklyn-at-panix.com: (fwd) Re: [LIU Comp Sci] Need tutoring on
  131. 2015-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] a hate this question
  132. 2015-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] Allorithms Midterm
  133. 2015-02-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] Read the FUCKING NOTES
  134. 2015-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] Allgorithm Examination
  135. 2015-02-28 Ruben <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] Linked List Test Question
  136. 2015-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Read the FUCKING NOTES
  137. 2015-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [LIU Comp Sci] [prmarino1-at-gmail.com: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Read the FUCKING NOTES

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