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| DATE | 2024-03-15 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] March 11 NY Perlmongers Social Meeting -
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On 3/11/24 06:10, James E Keenan wrote:
> On 3/10/24 21:43, Philip Hood wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>
>>> ... If not, I hope to pick up a 20 year old Jewish girl and marry her
>>> even though I will by 61 years old in a few weeks. ...
>>
>> jimk, walt & others -
>>
>> I kinda haven't wanted to get involved based on the idea of not
>> wanting to get involved & willfully put my hand into a blender - so to
>> speak - but, I could easily see how someone would be kinda off put and
>> a little reluctant to participate in the overall ny perl community
>> with the increased likelihood of being exposed to ideas like this; it
>> makes the community seem a little less aware of itself in a sort of
>> modern 360 degree way.
>>
>> It would be great for the perl community to be relaxed and open to -
>> say - younger college and graduate students - but, given these sorts
>> of remarks - which I read as sexist - I'm not sure I'd feel that the
>> space were safe enough to have such people around w/out them being
>> objectified and sexualized kinda by what many might call - "an old
>> dirty man." I mean: what happens around such an individual once
>> they've gotten a handful of alcoholic drinks in them ?
>>
>> I mean: how do these comments advance us - as a community - in any way?
>>
>> I watched a few weeks ago and was reading on ny.pm about how ruben
>> was afraid of young black men and has written about it quite a bit -
>> and so on - and at the time - I was kinda wondering: why am I reading
>> this on the ny perl list ?
>>
>> or even better: what does the perl communities at large ability to
>> tolerate this kinda stuff say about the mores and social norms of the
>> community ?
>>
>> While I understand that the overall perl community has been somewhat
>> injured and not the robust thing it once was - and while I think we'd
>> like to think of ourselves as rather "free booters" in spirit and
>> "laissez-faire" - I still think that we shouldn't tolerate these sorts
>> of openly racially/prejudicial and sexist remarks to be served by the
>> "ny-at-lists.pm.org" server. I mean, ok, maybe once or twice in the 90s -
>> they could have gotten through - that's one thing, but - all: its
>> almost 2025; we're almost a quarter-way into the century and we're
>> still w/ this?
>>
>> Now - I admit that I don't believe in "cancelling people" - but I do
>> believe that people who continually offend a community ought to be
>> given some time away from the community as they take time to reflect.
>> I would imagine that if Ruben could demonstrate some quantifiable
>> measure of empathy such that he could understand: why a young woman, a
>> computer scientist, say around age 20 with ideas and hopes and dreams
>> about things they'd like to do w/ their life as it unfolds, might not
>> want to be "picked up" and then harrassed about "marrying him"; why an
>> older woman - say in their mid-40s - or any age, really - wouldn't
>> want to hear about his ageist preferences; or why every single
>> teen-aged black male aged is not a criminal; or why some casual person
>> wanting to connect with the perl community in ny might not want to
>> read anything about his sex-life or his fear of the black youth - then
>> perhaps he could then return.
>>
>> I'm sorry to stick my hand in the blender - & normally I wouldn't -
>> but, to some degree - I care. I mean - this can't be all there is;
>> collectively - I know that we are more than this. Perhaps if only b/c
>> - from time to time - I like to say that I am associated w/ the perl
>> community, and I honestly feel a little bad to log on and see things
>> like this continue w/out any real attempt at abatement. It stops me
>> from being able to conscientiously have a good time. I mean: I'd like
>> to come down and shake walt's hand and stand him a drink and see jim
>> and others faces, but, its like there is this terrible stink in the
>> air that we, somehow, pretend that there's nothing to be done about.
>>
>> this is not right; it doesn't have to be this way.
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> -ml
>> pth
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wccRif2DaGs
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