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| DATE | 2024-03-15 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] March 11 NY Perlmongers Social Meeting -
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 01:43:14AM +0000, Philip Hood wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> >... If not, I hope to pick up a 20 year old Jewish girl and marry
> >her even though I will by 61 years old in a few weeks. ...
>
> jimk, walt & others -
>
> I kinda haven't wanted to get involved based on the idea of not
> wanting to get involved & willfully put my hand into a blender - so
> to speak - but, I could easily see how someone would be kinda off
> put and a little reluctant to participate in the overall ny perl
> community with the increased likelihood of being exposed to ideas
> like this; it makes the community seem a little less aware of itself
> in a sort of modern 360 degree way.
>
I wish you wouldn't make up shit about what I said. I notated actually
real events and video and annotated from ligitamate sources that
supported what I said.
I didn't say anything bigoted and racist. I did, however, had a real
gun waved in my face for the first time in 15 years in Crown Heights.
I'm sick of crap and sick of people who are fully full of shit. I have
no more space for this kind of evil. It feeds hatred and stupidity and
ends up in convultions of violence.
As for undergraduates, I have 6 among my children and grandchildren.
Go fuck yourself, Hood.
You ***ARE*** a bad man.
And at 2024, it is a pitty to see what has happened so much in history
as civilizations slide into disarray, genocide and hatred, because of
the simple inability to distinguish right from wrong, or most of all to
understand that one is not all knowing at whatever tend age you are.
All the worst social revolutions from Stalinism to Facism to Islamic
Brotherhood have all been ignighted and spearheaded by young people raging
at god, they know not what, with absolute solutions that dispense with all
forms of tolerance. Like the Profit Mick once said... the Problem is
solved but it can't be bent.
Ah Pook the destoryer is here.
Worry not your little head about how I act with a few beers. Unlike
you, I have not in the past, nor in the present ever drank that much.
I did, however, did end up picking up with a 26 year old red headed
NYU law student, but you have nothing to fear. She wasn't Jewish and
after we talked, we laughed a little and went seperate ways.
I'm not going to any more Perl meetings. So don't worry much about that
either. It only rekindled my interest because David died and I thought
I would want to lend some support to an otherwise dormant group.
But it has never been my cup of tea. It always had a strict no tech
discussion rule. My favoite member was Michael Shorr and I haven't seen
him for years. And aside from that, tech groups and meetings have all
but died now. It has fallen victem to a generation that can't pull
their head out of their cellphones and see little value in live
meetings.
It is a pitty, but yet one more nail in the coffin of the city's social
life, and something I can not control.
It is a generation that has been raised on facebook and twitter. They
can't find 17th St and 7th Avenue without a bot giving them step by step
instructions... they are not just lost in space... they are just lost.
The basic human condition of knowing where you are in time and space,
and taking a journey has been lost in a cyberspace controlled by forces
and institutions that dispise your individuality and communal lives.
You are lost in the vape that you choke on on the 23rd street platform
of the IRT.
You think you are the Beatles fighting segregation in Jacksonville. But
you are really just lost in a maze of likes and hates and trolling
parties on twitter (currenlty X). It is sickening.
I don't want to party with you, kiddo. You are neither smart enough,
nor have enough insight or life experience. You're just a selfish zero
of little consequence.... you have no idea how little or what actually
drives social change. I like to be around people of good will, who can
carry a smile and who loves to share. That is not you.
I only have a few years left in my life, and why waste them is bigots
and idiots?
Not even George Orwell could had predicted things to turn out this
twisted and this bizzarre. Maybe it took someone more like Howard
Chaykin.
> It would be great for the perl community to be relaxed and open to
> - say - younger college and graduate students - but, given these
> sorts of remarks - which I read as sexist - I'm not sure I'd feel
> that the space were safe enough to have such people around w/out
> them being objectified and sexualized kinda by what many might call
> - "an old dirty man." I mean: what happens around such an individual
> once they've gotten a handful of alcoholic drinks in them ?
>
> I mean: how do these comments advance us - as a community - in any way?
>
> I watched a few weeks ago and was reading on ny.pm about how ruben
> was afraid of young black men and has written about it quite a bit -
> and so on - and at the time - I was kinda wondering: why am I
> reading this on the ny perl list ?
>
> or even better: what does the perl communities at large ability to
> tolerate this kinda stuff say about the mores and social norms of
> the community ?
>
> While I understand that the overall perl community has been
> somewhat injured and not the robust thing it once was - and while I
> think we'd like to think of ourselves as rather "free booters" in
> spirit and "laissez-faire" - I still think that we shouldn't
> tolerate these sorts of openly racially/prejudicial and sexist
> remarks to be served by the "ny-at-lists.pm.org" server. I mean, ok,
> maybe once or twice in the 90s - they could have gotten through -
> that's one thing, but - all: its almost 2025; we're almost a
> quarter-way into the century and we're still w/ this?
>
> Now - I admit that I don't believe in "cancelling people" - but I
> do believe that people who continually offend a community ought to
> be given some time away from the community as they take time to
> reflect. I would imagine that if Ruben could demonstrate some
> quantifiable measure of empathy such that he could understand: why a
> young woman, a computer scientist, say around age 20 with ideas and
> hopes and dreams about things they'd like to do w/ their life as it
> unfolds, might not want to be "picked up" and then harrassed about
> "marrying him"; why an older woman - say in their mid-40s - or any
> age, really - wouldn't want to hear about his ageist preferences; or
> why every single teen-aged black male aged is not a criminal; or why
> some casual person wanting to connect with the perl community in ny
> might not want to read anything about his sex-life or his fear of
> the black youth - then perhaps he could then return.
>
> I'm sorry to stick my hand in the blender - & normally I wouldn't -
> but, to some degree - I care. I mean - this can't be all there is;
> collectively - I know that we are more than this. Perhaps if only
> b/c - from time to time - I like to say that I am associated w/ the
> perl community, and I honestly feel a little bad to log on and see
> things like this continue w/out any real attempt at abatement. It
> stops me from being able to conscientiously have a good time. I
> mean: I'd like to come down and shake walt's hand and stand him a
> drink and see jim and others faces, but, its like there is this
> terrible stink in the air that we, somehow, pretend that there's
> nothing to be done about.
>
> this is not right; it doesn't have to be this way.
>
> thank you.
>
> -ml
> pth
>
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