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DATE 2023-11-19
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The LA Times wants Jews to die

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On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 12:12:43PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> Plain and simple, they demand a cease fire and to continue the cycle of
> death and violence with Hamas. Fuck them and Fuck Hamas.
>
> If Hamas doesn't like the deaths in this war they know exactly what to
> do which is surrender. The leadership will be tried for crimes aganist
> humanity and executed like Eichman and the people of Gaza will be able
> to redevelop without being a tool for these Nazi's
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Editorial: Cease-fire now. The killing in Gaza must stop - Los Angeles
> Times
> The Times Editorial Board
> 4–5 minutes
>
> It has become impossible to distinguish between Israel’s decidedly
> non-surgical operation against Hamas militants in Gaza and the
> indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians. When so-called
> humanitarian pauses in the bombardment and ground operations are too
> brief to realistically permit innocents to flee, or when there is no
> place for non-combatants to go that is not also in the line of fire,
> such pauses are so deficient as to be meaningless.
>
> It is time for a cease-fire. It is time for the Biden administration to
> assert strong and sustained pressure on the government of Benjamin
> Netanyahu to stop attacks that have reportedly already killed more than
> 11,000 Gazans. The world cannot stand by to witness more slaughter of
> civilians.
>
> No one should harbor illusions about Hamas, the radical militant
> organization that serves as the de facto Gaza government and began the
> current hostilities with its murderous Oct. 7 surprise attack on Israeli
> civilians. Militants killed about 1,200 people and continue to hold more
> than 200 hostages — Israelis, Americans and others.
>
> Israel claims Hamas has used Shifa Hospital as a command center and
> weapons warehouse. Although Israeli soldiers who entered the hospital
> were able to produce little evidence of that, there is no reason to
> doubt that Hamas would treat Palestinian civilians as human shields.
>
> But Hamas’ atrocities do not justify atrocities in kind. Following
> Hamas’ initial attack, Israel instructed the people of northern Gaza to
> leave their homes and made no commitment that they would ever be able to
> return. Israel’s reprisal destroyed homes and cut off power and
> communications, making it impossible for survivors of the bombing even
> to search for the remains of family and neighbors beneath the rubble.
>
> Now Israel is signaling that it will step up its assault in southern
> Gaza, into which much of the territory’s population of more than 2
> million have crowded in response to the warnings to flee the north. They
> will not be permitted to enter Egypt on Gaza’s southwestern border, and
> they cannot enter Israel. They are trapped.
>
> Already, more children have died in Gaza in the last month than in all
> other conflicts around the world this year, according to Save the
> Children. That cruel fact is one of many that have turned world opinion
> against Israel, and against the U.S., its chief ally and the provider of
> most of its weapons. The consequences for both nations will last
> generations. The trauma inflicted on Palestinian survivors only
> increases the recruiting ability of Israel’s enemies, whether they be
> Hamas, Hezbollah or any successors bent on destruction of Israel.
>
> On Wednesday, the United Nations Security Council approved a resolution
> calling for “urgent and extended humanitarian pauses and corridors” in
> Gaza for “a sufficient number of days” to allow unhindered access for
> agencies delivering aid. The U.S. did not vote in favor of the
> resolution, but importantly, also did not veto it. Still, pauses and
> corridors mean little if they are immediately followed by a resumption
> of deadly attacks.
>
> Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken testified at an Oct. 31 Senate
> hearing that a cease-fire would “simply consolidate what Hamas has been
> able to do and ... potentially repeat what it did another day.” But
> neither Israel nor the U.S. has explained how Hamas can be eradicated or
> removed from power without an unacceptable level of civilian deaths and
> casualties. Nor have they set forth what they intend to happen next.
> Israeli occupation?
>
> On his visit to Israel in the wake of Hamas’ initial attack, President
> Biden noted that the U.S., following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11,
> 2001, made mistakes. The statement was a clear message to Israel: Don’t
> blunder as we did. Don’t squander the goodwill of the rest of the world
> by killing civilians. Don’t mimic your enemy’s cruelty. Don’t leave a
> power vacuum that can be filled by other, even more potent enemies. Have
> an exit strategy.
>
> Remaining mindful of America’s mistakes, it is incumbent upon the Biden
> administration now to avoid complicity with Israel’s. We are past the
> time to excuse the horror in Gaza. Biden has to press Netanyahu hard to
> stop the mass, indiscriminate killing. That starts with a call for a
> cease-fire.
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
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  6. 2023-11-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the origins of Islamic hatred
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