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| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
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Subject: Re: Human & ape evolution
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On Friday, 12 May 2023 at 17:19:37 UTC+3, marc verhaegen wrote:
> Op dinsdag 25 april 2023 om 14:22:39 UTC+2 schreef oot...-at-hot.ee:
> > On Monday, 17 April 2023 at 13:58:23 UTC+3, marc verhaegen wrote:
>
> > > 4 frequent paleo-anthropological prejudices, with 0 evidence:
> > > Many PAs still *assume* that human ancestors
> > > 1) became bipedal when we left the trees for the gound??
> > > 2) came Out-of-Africa (OoA)??
> > > 3) were savanna-dwellers???
>
> > That is not that popular hypothesis. You typically use it as straw man.
> > Found remains show indications that our ancestors were still well
> > adapted to climbing trees, even after they had begun to walk upright.
> of course:
> https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
>
You *are* parroting there groundless H.P. Lowecraft fan-fiction by Alister
Hardy and Elaine Morgan from two human generations ago. Back then it
was "purely hypothetical" because of gap in fossil record and methods for
sequencing genes were still under development. Right now it is clearly kook
theory that is contradicting with all our evidence. You have already shown
that you got none evidence and avoid all evidence of others.
It started from African woodland apes. We see Pre-Oldowan woodland ape
tools in Africa from 3.3 mya.
Oldowan tools (and butchered hippos) in Africa from 2.9 mya. Oldowan
tools elsewhere are all after 2 mya so some homo spread out with those.
The later Acheulean tools we see similarly starting from 1.76 mya East
Africa and then spreading to elsewhere slowly between 1.5 mya to 0.8
mya.
So all Mode I and Mode II "technology" came from Africa and spread slowly
elsewhere. Also everything indicates that inventors preferred eating medium
to large game to harvesting seashores.
There are no evidence that anything came from unknown Java homos
evolved from unknown Ponginae. Ponginae are genetically too far from homo
so hybrids are unlikely. But African Oldowan tools we find on Java
1.8 mya, carried by h.erectus, descendant of African woodland apes more
than million years after Africans butchered hippos with tools of that type.
Someone of them then engraved few seashells and that is all your evidence.
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