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| DATE | 2023-05-14 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Re: Human & ape evolution
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Subject: Re: Human & ape evolution
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On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 18:52:28 UTC+3, marc verhaegen wrote:
> ...
> > > 1) early-Miocene Hominoidea were already BP (hylobatids & Hs still ar=
e): aquaRboreal (aqua=3Dwater, arbor=3Dtree) vertical waders-climbers in sw=
amp forests (+- cf.Nasalis-Rhinopithecus): wading bipedally + climbing arms=
overhead in the branches above the water,
> troll:
> > Where are fossils of those early Miocene (like -22M) hominids?
> Are you really sooo stupid, my lttle boy??=20
> Why do you need fossils????=20
> Never heard of comparative anatomy??=20
> When do you think lesser & great apes split??=20
>=20
We obviously need fossils for to see where and how the animals did live and
if they had such properties and activities like you describe. Didn't you no=
tice
that you reject out of Africa? So need location of fossils. Didn't you noti=
ce that
you mentioned bipedal? So need at least some body bones. etc. Otherwise all
your stories are groundless fiction. Didn't you notice that you post to=20
sci.bio.paleontology? Paleontology is not about fiction, it deals with foss=
ils.=20
For fiction there are other groups.
> It's really not difficult, even you can understand:=20
> Hominoidea (vs Cercopithecoidea):=20
> innovations:=20
> - Latisternalia: very broad breast-bone & thorax + dorsal (not lateral) s=
capulae for lateral arm movements,=20
> - centrally-(not dorsally-)placed spine =3D upright,=20
> - reduction of lumbar vertebrae cf. upright posture,=20
> - broad pelvis: also lateral leg movements,=20
> - tail loss (incoporation of coccyx into pelvis bottom): unexpacted in pu=
rely arboreal tetrapod:=20
> AFAICS all this can *only* be explained by aquarborealism, don't you thin=
k? :-D=20
> (cf. also some convergences with Rhinopithecus-Nasalis in mangrove forest=
s):=20
> https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-up=
right-walking-in-early-humans/
I do not see grounds of your "comparative anatomy". With what=20
"aquarboereal" animals you compare? List them. AFAIK it is terminology
invented by you and meaning whatever you want to mean. Hmm ...=20
sea lions? Those do not climb trees. Some fat people indeed look like
caricature of sea lion ... but also do not climb trees and if to throw them
into water then also swim like pile of excrement. Those people are
product of handful of last decades, not Miocene.
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