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DATE | 2023-05-14 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) Human & ape evolution
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4 frequent paleo-anthropological prejudices, with 0 evidence: Many PAs still *assume* that human ancestors 1) became bipedal when we left the trees for the gound?? 2) came Out-of-Africa (OoA)?? 3) were savanna-dwellers??? 4) had australopithecine ancestors?? These are only anthropo- & afro-centric just-so pre-assumptions: - Darwin thought "Out of Africa" (Pan & Gorilla were African), - Africa (apart from sahara) is mostly jungle or savanna, - apiths lived in Africa, were BP, and had some humanlike anatomical traits= .
Therefore, many (most?) PAs still assume, without evidence, that 1) we became BP after we split from Pan, and left the forest, 2) Homo & "hominins" originated in Africa (OoA), 3) we ran bipedally in savannas, 4) BP fossils in Africa incl. apiths are =E2=80=9Chominin=E2=80=9D (anthrop= o-centric belief: Pan & Gorilla have no fossils=E2=80=A6??). But 1) early-Miocene Hominoidea were already BP=3Dvertical waders-climbers in s= wamp forests (humans & gibbons still are BP), google AQUARBOREAL, 2) Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea came from N-Tethys coasts (hylobatids & pongids = still live in SE.Asia), 3) human ancestors have always been waterside (cf. physiology, anatomy, die= t+DHA, island colonizations, intercontin.dispersals etc.etc.), 4) E.Afr.apiths resemble Gorilla > Pan > Homo, S.Afr.apiths resemble Pan > = Homo or Gorilla (e.g. my Hum.Evol.papers).
https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upri= ght-walking-in-early-humans/ Partial convergence? Nasalis monkeys (large & upright body, rel.long legs= =E2=80=A6) in mangrove forests also often wade bipedally & climb arms overh= ead.
Likely scenario IMO: Plate Tectonics & Hominoid Splittings: c 30 Ma India approaching S-Asia formed island archipels =3D coastal forest= s++ c 25 Ma Catarrhini reaching these islands became wading bipedally + climbin= g arms overhead =3D aquarboreal Hominoidea. c 20 Ma India further underneath Asia split hylobatids (E) & other=3Dgreat = apes (W), both following coastal forests along N-Tethys Ocean (E vs W). c 15 Ma Mesopotamian Seaway Closure split pongid-sivapith (E) & hominid-dry= opith (W: Medit.Sea + hominids s.s. in incipient Red Sea swamp forests). c 8 Ma in Red Sea: N-Rift fm, followed by Gorilla -> Afar -> Praeanthropus = afarensis -> boisei -> today G.gorilla & G.beringei. c 5 Ma the Red Sea opens into Gulf (Francesca Mansfield thinks caused by th= e Zanclean mega-flood 5.33 Ma): =E2=80=93 Pan went right: E.Afr.coastal forests -> S-Rift -> Transvaal -> A= ustralopith.africanus -> robustus (// Gorilla) -> today P.troglodytes & P.p= aniscus, =E2=80=93 Homo went left: S.Asian coasts -> Java early-Pleist.H.erectus -> = shallow-diving: pachy-osteo-sclerosis, DHA, brain+, stone tools, shell engr= avings... mid- -> late-Pleist.: diving -> wading -> walking H.sapiens.
Early-Pleist. H.erectus' diet was probably mostly shellfish (engravings, st= one tools, DHA & larger brain etc.), but what did Mio-Pliocene Hominoidea eat in coastal forests? fruits? mangro= ve oysters? sort of rice?? ...? -- end of forwarded message -- _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout
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