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| DATE | 2023-04-16 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
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On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 02:40:28PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> No it doesn't but most hospitals won't try to force you to sign a
> waiver relinquishing your rights under HIPAA in fact i don't think
> they legally can, but web companies do to earn just a few more cents
> off of you from selling your data, or pattenting thing they think they
> found out because of it and other private information you provided,
> Its a problem I agree but thats why people should be informed more
> about the possible repercussions of using these widely advertised
> cheep services, but on this mailing list we are preaching to the
> choir.
>
HIPAA laws have to do with the data - the data is legally protected.
In addition, it also identifies overed entitites... which is anyone
that comes in contact with personal health information.
Don't argue with me on this. I do it for a living and you will lose.
The click through, my guess, is also not waivable which doesn't prevent
these very dangerous people from trying to abuse the system
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/laws-regulations/index.html
If you collect labs from patients with their private data attached to
it, you are a covered entitiy as a health care provider.
If you do business with such and entity, you are covered as a business
associate of the entity and you are also covered.
You can and MUST sign a release to have your private data exposed and
that is the reason for the waivers, and such waviers need to be
specific... a lot more specific than what they are providing and means,
actually, that the entire SCAM is illegal under civil law, although you
might need to show proof of damage to collect money for PPI leaks.
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 8:03 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 05:44:15PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> > > If you want to have your DNA scanned strictly for medical reasons only
> > > (not ancestral data or to see who's related to you), you can do that
> > > at a hospital or other medical office that offers the service in your
> > > area and in that way privacy laws,and regulations about medical
> > > documents for the country and region will apply to them.
> >
> >
> > The fact that they aren't a hospital doesn't preclude them from securing
> > your data in the HIPA
> >
> > > It is much
> > > more expensive than those services but they actually do a full scan
> > > not just the partial scan done by those services and as a result
> > > reveal much more information, and your medical insurance may cover it
> > > under certain circumstances.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:39???PM wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your response, but I see I need to explain more clearly: I do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA, I mean giving the co. a DNA sample with the subject person
> > > >
> > > > NOT GIVING THEIR IDENTITY TO THE COMPANY AT ALL.
> > > >
> > > > The biggest danger to letting these co.'s have your DNA is to yourself, your children, grandkids, and all descendents into the future.
> > > >
> > > > If they identify some genetic defect, you and all your descendents could be denied employment, health and life and insurance, and more than you can imagine.
> > > >
> > > > That is my point. Can you find such a DNA decoding lab or company that will allow anonymous sample submissions ?
> > > >
> > > > I understand the answer is NO. That fact alone should tell you something !
> > > >
> > > > If you are aware of any such company, please provide info / link.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 15:38 Uhr
> > > > Von: "Paul Robert Marino"
> > > > An: ruth02-at-web.de
> > > > Cc: "Ruben Safir" , "Ancestry.com Customer Service" , "Harmon, Amy" , "rms" , "Hangout"
> > > > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??
> > > > I don't know specifically about Ancestry and their terms of service,
> > > > but many of them do sell your genetic information for "research
> > > > purposes"! I can tell you this from first hand experience having
> > > > worked for an advertising company that bought that data for
> > > > "research" related to marketing. They stopped offering the marketing
> > > > product that used DNA because it wasn't profitable yet but I'm sure
> > > > they weren't the only ones who tried it and it will be something the
> > > > advertising industry will do in the future. As for if its anonymized
> > > > or not by the companies they may vary but it is used in ways you would
> > > > not expect reading the terms of service. here is just a few example
> > > > https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/i-took-a-23andme-dna-test-and-cops-linked-me-to-a-murder/
> > > > https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/all-in-the-family-dna-investigation/85-179895c9-1b7e-4e93-8ab4-beae25a44a79
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:12???AM wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ruben,
> > > > >
> > > > > my friend in the USA, who also is a friend of your also but I don't see on your forum anymore, told me something about these USA ancestry tests which i don't think are avilable in my country.
> > > > >
> > > > > he said that no matter how hard you try, none of these companies will let a person give a sample and have it analyzed on an ANONYMOUS basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, they don't allow giving a sample, paying for the service, but without identifying yourself.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, why is that ??
> > > > >
> > > > > Appreciate any insights you can give.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 21:48 Uhr
> > > > > Von: "Ruben Safir"
> > > > > An: "Ancestry.com Customer Service" , "Harmon, Amy" , "rms" , "Hangout"
> > > > > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry
> > > > > On 1/24/23 17:55, Ancestry.com Customer Service wrote:
> > > > >
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