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| DATE | 2023-04-15 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED
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On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 05:44:15PM -0400, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> Yes I understood what you meant, I was explaining their model and why
> they do not allow you to be anonymous on those services.
The disallow anonymous services and have click through contracts that
ask you to give up your rights under HIPA because they want to control
your most personel information to sell and to track you.
They are dangerous and they get away with it because people don't
believe that their freedom and privacy is in any way related to their
physical and mental security. And mostly they are misinformed because
they are not old enough to experience run ins with the law which happens
more and more as you grow older and older and as you conduct more and
more business.
It is a trap and it strips away your civil rights.
> If you want to have your DNA scanned strictly for medical reasons only
> (not ancestral data or to see who's related to you), you can do that
> at a hospital or other medical office that offers the service in your
> area and in that way privacy laws,and regulations about medical
> documents for the country and region will apply to them. It is much
> more expensive than those services but they actually do a full scan
> not just the partial scan done by those services and as a result
> reveal much more information, and your medical insurance may cover it
> under certain circumstances.
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 4:39???PM wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your response, but I see I need to explain more clearly: I do not mean the "company" anonomyzing the DNA, I mean giving the co. a DNA sample with the subject person
> >
> > NOT GIVING THEIR IDENTITY TO THE COMPANY AT ALL.
> >
> > The biggest danger to letting these co.'s have your DNA is to yourself, your children, grandkids, and all descendents into the future.
> >
> > If they identify some genetic defect, you and all your descendents could be denied employment, health and life and insurance, and more than you can imagine.
> >
> > That is my point. Can you find such a DNA decoding lab or company that will allow anonymous sample submissions ?
> >
> > I understand the answer is NO. That fact alone should tell you something !
> >
> > If you are aware of any such company, please provide info / link.
> >
> > Thanks !
> >
> >
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. April 2023 um 15:38 Uhr
> > Von: "Paul Robert Marino"
> > An: ruth02-at-web.de
> > Cc: "Ruben Safir" , "Ancestry.com Customer Service" , "Harmon, Amy" , "rms" , "Hangout"
> > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry: Why ANONYMOUS testing NOT ALLOWED ??
> > I don't know specifically about Ancestry and their terms of service,
> > but many of them do sell your genetic information for "research
> > purposes"! I can tell you this from first hand experience having
> > worked for an advertising company that bought that data for
> > "research" related to marketing. They stopped offering the marketing
> > product that used DNA because it wasn't profitable yet but I'm sure
> > they weren't the only ones who tried it and it will be something the
> > advertising industry will do in the future. As for if its anonymized
> > or not by the companies they may vary but it is used in ways you would
> > not expect reading the terms of service. here is just a few example
> > https://nypost.com/2023/02/02/i-took-a-23andme-dna-test-and-cops-linked-me-to-a-murder/
> > https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/all-in-the-family-dna-investigation/85-179895c9-1b7e-4e93-8ab4-beae25a44a79
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:12???AM wrote:
> > >
> > > Ruben,
> > >
> > > my friend in the USA, who also is a friend of your also but I don't see on your forum anymore, told me something about these USA ancestry tests which i don't think are avilable in my country.
> > >
> > > he said that no matter how hard you try, none of these companies will let a person give a sample and have it analyzed on an ANONYMOUS basis.
> > >
> > > In other words, they don't allow giving a sample, paying for the service, but without identifying yourself.
> > >
> > > Now, why is that ??
> > >
> > > Appreciate any insights you can give.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Januar 2023 um 21:48 Uhr
> > > Von: "Ruben Safir"
> > > An: "Ancestry.com Customer Service" , "Harmon, Amy" , "rms" , "Hangout"
> > > Betreff: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ancestry
> > > On 1/24/23 17:55, Ancestry.com Customer Service wrote:
> > >
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