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DATE | 2021-12-28 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The privacy privileged and the Press
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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 11:19:52PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Project Veritas destroyed the voter-registration organization ACORN > > > by publishing disinformation videos which falsely suggested that > > > ACORN's staff encouraged voter fraud. The organization is a real > > > threat to democracy. > > > No it is not. Not even close. > > Well, I believe it is. >
But that is flatly delusional. Democracy is not dependent on the rumagings of a single left leaning voter registration program which happened to be ineffective, and YES shown to be corrupt.
Acorn never was and will never be either a lynpin or representive of a Democracy at work. They were playing politics, FLAT OUT, and weren't even organized enough to survive. That was all about them, not Veritas.
The real danger is the threat to the private space that we all need to be enfranchised in the political process. You should understand that, first hand.
> Democracy doesn't depend on ACORN or > > Veritas, > > I agree that democracy does not require the existence of either of > those two. > > but it does depend on free speach and the freedom of political > > participation. > > I support both of those. But freedom of speech doesn't include fraud > and libel, and they are the m.o. of Project Falsitas. >
There was no fraud, but FWIW, Actually it DOES and it is an old Left Wing political tactic to muckrake opponents. Politicians will say nearly anything they can to discredit the oposition and it is up to the voter to judge the facts.
In this case though, this wreckless left wing organization actually was prosecute mutlipe times:
Below is a sampling of cases in which ACORN or its employees were convicted of crimes related to voter registration.
Between 2009 and 2011, a former field director, a former regional director, and ACORN itself were convicted of conspiracy to commit the crime of compensation for registration of voters in Nevada. It was illegal for registration canvassers to receive compensation based on the number of voters registered. Charges stated that ACORN paid a $5 bonus to canvassers who turned in 21 registration forms.[8][9][10]
In 2009, Latoya Lewis pleaded guilty to repeatedly registering individuals when she worked for ACORN in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[11]
In 2008, eight former ACORN employees pleaded guilty to registration fraud during a registration drive in St. Louis, Missouri, in 2006.[12]
In 2007, five people in Washington pleaded guilty to registration fraud charges related to work they did as ACORN employees and were sentenced to jail time.[13] ACORN agreed to pay King County $25,000 for investigative costs. The group also signed an agreement to "beef up its training and procedures for detecting and reporting fraud," according to The Seattle Times.[14][15]
In 2007, three former ACORN workers in Kansas City, Missouri, pleaded guilty to charges of voter registration fraud.[16] Claudia Harris, chairperson of Kansas City ACORN, said in a statement released after the former employees were indicted, "When we caught this misconduct, we reporter [sic] it to the authorities. Now we want to see these folks prosecuted to the full extent of the law, because they have defrauded our organization, and, worse, detracted from our mission of ensuring that citizens in our community participate in the democratic process."[17]
In Colorado in January 2005, two people were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations while working for ACORN.[18] ACORN's regional director said after the two were charged, "We find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening."[19]
They sucked shutting them down had ZERO affect on our Democracy and others just continued to do similar campaigns: ie Stacy Abrams et etc.
Personally, I am opposed to these campaigns. These voter registration programs are nothing more that thinly disguished partisin operations and I firmly believe that people should be left along to register and vote.
All of that, however, has nothing to do with the threat to the private atonerny client prilvege which ***is*** an essential protection even if we were talking about the Nazi Party.
> What other issues there may have been about ACORN are not pertinent > to condemning the attack on it using lies. > > The issue at hand is about a detail of the boundary of lawyer-client > privilege. My opinion is that Project Veritas should have the same > privilege that any other lawyer's client has. I don't know enough to > have a more specific opinion
Yes, but you know enough to know that your relationship with your lawyer is needed to protect your rights under the law and to operate under the law. If your lawyer is not free to have sealed communications with their clients, then they can't possibly be able to defend them or advise them. Think about it. This is an essential matter of freedom and rule of law.
> > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) >
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