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DATE | 2021-03-09 |
FROM | Russell Lundberg
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Windows mod_perl2/libapreq2 build
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I share my kudos for the efforts of Steve Hay and others like him.
and of course to Andre Warnier, a frequent and valuable contributor to this forum.
I love mod_perl. Speeding up scripts was what first attracted me. But developing web apps using the Apache API is what keeps me using.
Many thanks, and kind regards,
Russell -- Russell Lundberg Denver, Colorado +1 (808) 217-6975 Follow me on LinkedIn | Twitte= r | Let's tal= k Type=3D8878125> | Subscribe to CafeTele Newsletter
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:08 AM Andr=C3=A9 Warnier (tomcat/perl) .com> wrote:
> Many thanks. > Nowadays, we tend to deal increasingly with Linux servers rather than > Win32/64, but it is > nice anyway that someone cares for this, as we still have some customers > with legacy Win > servers that they want to keep and update from time to time. > (And it is also nice for our development/support workstations). > > We have quite a few real-world applications based on perl and mod_perl, > which in > themselves have been running reliably for years without any needed change= s > due to perl itself. > But we do get in trouble from time to time because customers insist on > changing the > platform on which these applications are running. > > By the way, and in the somewhat OT gist of the discussions about perl's > evolution, I feel > that there is one argument about perl that is being consistently > overlooked and/or > undervalued : > The fact that applications written in perl many years ago (as much as 20 > years sometimes), > are still running unchanged today, despite numerous changes of versions, > platforms, OS'es > etc.. (*) > I do not think that there is *any* other current programming language (or > "framework") > which equals that record. > > This may sound a bit like a "dinosaur" argument, but just think of all > the time and > resources (and thus ultimately, money) which people programming in other > languages have > had to spend during the same period, just to keep the same things running= , > and you can get > a measure of perl's "productivity" in comparison. > > I totally understand the desire of some to modernise perl and make it mor= e > attractive to > new generations of programmers. But it would be a shame if in the process= , > perl (5,7) lost > this rather unique quality and positioning. > > P.S. And of course, that longevity and stability of perl, is all to the > credit of people > like you, who have been supporting and maintaining it over the years, for > (in my view) > much too little public recognition and reward in the end. > > (*) a bit more on topic : the most "traumatic" events in those many years > as far as our > perl programming was concerned, have been the changes from Apache 1.x to > 2.0, and later > the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 in terms of AAA. (So, not in perl itself, but > in the way it > interacts with Apache). > I think that nothing else really "registered", even over many OSes such a= s > all the > versions of Windows-es, SunOS, Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Unix-es, Linux, to > name only the few > which I remember running our applications on. Applications of which we > only ever needed > one version, running everywhere. > > On 05.03.2021 13:12, Steve Hay wrote: > > For those who are interested, I have uploaded a 64-bit build of > > mod_perl-2.0.11 and libapreq2-2.15 components compatible with Apache > > Lounge 2.4.46 (Win64, VC16, built 18 February 2021) and Strawberry > > Perl 5.32.1.1 (64bit). > > > > You can download it from: https://people.apache.org/~stevehay/ > > > > The SHA1 digest is: 33e231eb91901007e25fd78eb5643901672c519b > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > >
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I share my kudos for the efforts of Steve Hay and others l= ike him.
and of course to Andre Warnier, a frequent and = valuable contributor to this forum.
I love mod_per= l. Speeding up scripts was what first attracted me. But developing web apps= using the Apache API is what keeps me using.
Many= thanks, and kind regards,=C2=A0
Russell =3D"all"> gmail_signature"> r=3D"ltr"> r"> dir=3D"ltr"> "ltr"> <= div dir=3D"ltr"> =3D"ltr"> "> = Denver, Colorado=C2=A0+1 (808) 217-69= 75
> = div> >
lass=3D"gmail_quote"> _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">Many thanks.
Nowadays, we tend to deal increasingly with Linux servers rather than Win32= /64, but it is
nice anyway that someone cares for this, as we still have some customers wi= th legacy Win
servers that they want to keep and update from time to time.
(And it is also nice for our development/support workstations).
We have quite a few real-world applications based on perl and mod_perl, whi= ch in
themselves have been running reliably for years without any needed changes = due to perl itself.
But we do get in trouble from time to time because customers insist on chan= ging the
platform on which these applications are running.
By the way, and in the somewhat OT gist of the discussions about perl's= evolution, I feel
that there is one argument about perl that is being consistently overlooked= and/or
undervalued :
The fact that applications written in perl many years ago (as much as 20 ye= ars sometimes),
are still running unchanged today, despite numerous changes of versions, pl= atforms, OS'es
etc.. (*)
I do not think that there is *any* other current programming language (or &= quot;framework")
which equals that record.
This may sound a bit like a "dinosaur" argument, but just think o= f all the=C2=A0 time and
resources (and thus ultimately, money) which people programming in other la= nguages have
had to spend during the same period, just to keep the same things running, = and you can get
a measure of perl's "productivity" in comparison.
I totally understand the desire of some to modernise perl and make it more = attractive to
new generations of programmers. But it would be a shame if in the process, = perl (5,7) lost
this rather unique quality and positioning.
P.S. And of course, that longevity and stability of perl, is all to the cre= dit of people
like you, who have been supporting and maintaining it over the years, for (= in my view)
much too little public recognition and reward in the end.
(*) a bit more on topic : the most "traumatic" events in those ma= ny years as far as our
perl programming was concerned, have been the changes from Apache 1.x to 2.= 0, and later
the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 in terms of AAA. (So, not in perl itself, but i= n the way it
interacts with Apache).
I think that nothing else really "registered", even over many OSe= s such as all the
versions of Windows-es, SunOS, Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Unix-es, Linux, to name= only the few
which I remember running our applications on. Applications of which we only= ever needed
one version, running everywhere.
On 05.03.2021 13:12, Steve Hay wrote:
> For those who are interested, I have uploaded a 64-bit build of
> mod_perl-2.0.11 and libapreq2-2.15 components compatible with Apacher> > Lounge 2.4.46 (Win64, VC16, built 18 February 2021) and Strawberry
> Perl 5.32.1.1 (64bit).
>
> You can download it from: ay/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://people.apache.org/~steveh= ay/
>
> The SHA1 digest is: 33e231eb91901007e25fd78eb5643901672c519b
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
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I share my kudos for the efforts of Steve Hay and others like him.
and of course to Andre Warnier, a frequent and valuable contributor to this forum.
I love mod_perl. Speeding up scripts was what first attracted me. But developing web apps using the Apache API is what keeps me using.
Many thanks, and kind regards,
Russell -- Russell Lundberg Denver, Colorado +1 (808) 217-6975 Follow me on LinkedIn | Twitte= r | Let's tal= k Type=3D8878125> | Subscribe to CafeTele Newsletter
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:08 AM Andr=C3=A9 Warnier (tomcat/perl) .com> wrote:
> Many thanks. > Nowadays, we tend to deal increasingly with Linux servers rather than > Win32/64, but it is > nice anyway that someone cares for this, as we still have some customers > with legacy Win > servers that they want to keep and update from time to time. > (And it is also nice for our development/support workstations). > > We have quite a few real-world applications based on perl and mod_perl, > which in > themselves have been running reliably for years without any needed change= s > due to perl itself. > But we do get in trouble from time to time because customers insist on > changing the > platform on which these applications are running. > > By the way, and in the somewhat OT gist of the discussions about perl's > evolution, I feel > that there is one argument about perl that is being consistently > overlooked and/or > undervalued : > The fact that applications written in perl many years ago (as much as 20 > years sometimes), > are still running unchanged today, despite numerous changes of versions, > platforms, OS'es > etc.. (*) > I do not think that there is *any* other current programming language (or > "framework") > which equals that record. > > This may sound a bit like a "dinosaur" argument, but just think of all > the time and > resources (and thus ultimately, money) which people programming in other > languages have > had to spend during the same period, just to keep the same things running= , > and you can get > a measure of perl's "productivity" in comparison. > > I totally understand the desire of some to modernise perl and make it mor= e > attractive to > new generations of programmers. But it would be a shame if in the process= , > perl (5,7) lost > this rather unique quality and positioning. > > P.S. And of course, that longevity and stability of perl, is all to the > credit of people > like you, who have been supporting and maintaining it over the years, for > (in my view) > much too little public recognition and reward in the end. > > (*) a bit more on topic : the most "traumatic" events in those many years > as far as our > perl programming was concerned, have been the changes from Apache 1.x to > 2.0, and later > the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 in terms of AAA. (So, not in perl itself, but > in the way it > interacts with Apache). > I think that nothing else really "registered", even over many OSes such a= s > all the > versions of Windows-es, SunOS, Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Unix-es, Linux, to > name only the few > which I remember running our applications on. Applications of which we > only ever needed > one version, running everywhere. > > On 05.03.2021 13:12, Steve Hay wrote: > > For those who are interested, I have uploaded a 64-bit build of > > mod_perl-2.0.11 and libapreq2-2.15 components compatible with Apache > > Lounge 2.4.46 (Win64, VC16, built 18 February 2021) and Strawberry > > Perl 5.32.1.1 (64bit). > > > > You can download it from: https://people.apache.org/~stevehay/ > > > > The SHA1 digest is: 33e231eb91901007e25fd78eb5643901672c519b > > > > Regards, > > Steve > > > >
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I share my kudos for the efforts of Steve Hay and others l= ike him.
and of course to Andre Warnier, a frequent and = valuable contributor to this forum.
I love mod_per= l. Speeding up scripts was what first attracted me. But developing web apps= using the Apache API is what keeps me using.
Many= thanks, and kind regards,=C2=A0
Russell =3D"all"> gmail_signature"> r=3D"ltr"> r"> dir=3D"ltr"> "ltr"> <= div dir=3D"ltr"> =3D"ltr"> "> = Denver, Colorado=C2=A0+1 (808) 217-69= 75
> = div> >
lass=3D"gmail_quote"> _quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204= ,204);padding-left:1ex">Many thanks.
Nowadays, we tend to deal increasingly with Linux servers rather than Win32= /64, but it is
nice anyway that someone cares for this, as we still have some customers wi= th legacy Win
servers that they want to keep and update from time to time.
(And it is also nice for our development/support workstations).
We have quite a few real-world applications based on perl and mod_perl, whi= ch in
themselves have been running reliably for years without any needed changes = due to perl itself.
But we do get in trouble from time to time because customers insist on chan= ging the
platform on which these applications are running.
By the way, and in the somewhat OT gist of the discussions about perl's= evolution, I feel
that there is one argument about perl that is being consistently overlooked= and/or
undervalued :
The fact that applications written in perl many years ago (as much as 20 ye= ars sometimes),
are still running unchanged today, despite numerous changes of versions, pl= atforms, OS'es
etc.. (*)
I do not think that there is *any* other current programming language (or &= quot;framework")
which equals that record.
This may sound a bit like a "dinosaur" argument, but just think o= f all the=C2=A0 time and
resources (and thus ultimately, money) which people programming in other la= nguages have
had to spend during the same period, just to keep the same things running, = and you can get
a measure of perl's "productivity" in comparison.
I totally understand the desire of some to modernise perl and make it more = attractive to
new generations of programmers. But it would be a shame if in the process, = perl (5,7) lost
this rather unique quality and positioning.
P.S. And of course, that longevity and stability of perl, is all to the cre= dit of people
like you, who have been supporting and maintaining it over the years, for (= in my view)
much too little public recognition and reward in the end.
(*) a bit more on topic : the most "traumatic" events in those ma= ny years as far as our
perl programming was concerned, have been the changes from Apache 1.x to 2.= 0, and later
the changes from 2.2 to 2.4 in terms of AAA. (So, not in perl itself, but i= n the way it
interacts with Apache).
I think that nothing else really "registered", even over many OSe= s such as all the
versions of Windows-es, SunOS, Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Unix-es, Linux, to name= only the few
which I remember running our applications on. Applications of which we only= ever needed
one version, running everywhere.
On 05.03.2021 13:12, Steve Hay wrote:
> For those who are interested, I have uploaded a 64-bit build of
> mod_perl-2.0.11 and libapreq2-2.15 components compatible with Apacher> > Lounge 2.4.46 (Win64, VC16, built 18 February 2021) and Strawberry
> Perl 5.32.1.1 (64bit).
>
> You can download it from: ay/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://people.apache.org/~steveh= ay/
>
> The SHA1 digest is: 33e231eb91901007e25fd78eb5643901672c519b
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
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