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DATE 2021-02-12
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The healthcare economy scam that screws everyone
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-much-does-a-c-section-cost-at-one-hospital-anywhere-from-6-241-to-60-584-11613051137?mod=hp_lead_pos5

wsj.com
How Much Does a C-Section Cost? At One Hospital, Anywhere From $6,241 to
$60,584.
Anna Wilde Mathews, Tom McGinty and Melanie Evans
16-20 minutes

When a woman gets a caesarean section at the gleaming new Van Ness
location of Sutter Health’s California Pacific Medical Center, the price
might be $6,241. Or $29,257. Or $38,264. It could even go as high as
$60,584.

The rate the hospital charges depends on the insurance plan covering the
birth. At the bottom end of the scale is a local health plan that serves
largely Medicaid recipients. At the top are prices for women whose plans
don’t have the San Francisco hospital in their insurers’ network.

The nation’s roughly 6,000 hospitals have begun to reveal the secret
rates they negotiate with insurers for a range of procedures. The data
offer the first full look inside the confidential deals that set
healthcare rates for insurers and employers covering more than 175
million Americans. The submissions also illuminate how widely prices
vary—even for the same procedure, performed in the same
facility—depending on who is paying.

“It is shining a light on the insanity of U.S. healthcare pricing,” said
Niall Brennan, chief executive of the Health Care Cost Institute, a
nonprofit that analyzes medical costs. “It’s at the center of the
affordability crisis in American healthcare.”

Under a Trump administration rule that took effect in January, nearly
all hospitals must make their prices public, a move the industry sued to
block. Courts rejected hospitals’ arguments that their prices should
remain under wraps. Healthcare economists say these rates are a major
driver of U.S. medical costs, the highest in the world, and they are
largely paid by American companies and workers.

Other industries sometimes charge different amounts to different
customers—a manufacturer may offer a volume discount, for instance, and
huge retailers like Walmart Inc. will often pay less for the products
they stock than local stores do. But the ranges revealed in the Sutter
data show how extreme the variation can be in medical services, said
Gerard Anderson, a healthcare economist at Johns Hopkins University.

“These price differentials are unique to the healthcare and hospital
industry,” he said, and are partly tied to the secrecy around the rates,
which has prevented competitors from knowing what others were paying.

The negotiated prices affect consumers directly—through out-of-pocket
charges like deductibles—and indirectly, by pushing up premiums for
health coverage. Total U.S. expenditures on private health insurance
have increased 50% in the past decade through 2019, according to federal
figures.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of data from Sutter Health, a Northern
California system with 24 hospitals, found ranges that were sometimes
extreme. With its sizable network and 2019 revenue around $13 billion,
Sutter is known for market clout that drew an antitrust suit from the
state’s attorney general in 2018. Sutter has since tentatively agreed to
pay $575 million to settle the case without admitting wrongdoing.

A Sutter hospital in Modesto, Calif., revealed rates for one billing
code representing complex cardiac procedures in fragile patients that
varied from $89,752 to $515,697, depending on the insurance plan.

The hospital’s discounted cash price for those who pay for the service
out of their own pockets: $325,703. Sutter said the actual cash price
varies by patient, and that most uninsured patients would qualify for
charity care and pay nothing.

Sutter Medical Center in Sacramento, Calif. The state’s attorney general
launched an antitrust case in 2018.
Photo: Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press

Procedures under the code aren’t performed often at the hospital, the
Sutter spokeswoman said. Eight patients received them there last year.

“We enter into negotiations with every health-insurance company or payer
in good faith and with the end goal of providing access to quality,
affordable care for patients,” said Sutter Chief Financial Officer Brian
Dean.

The California system’s pricing spread for the procedures reviewed by
the Journal are likely at the upper end, but similar patterns will be
found at many hospitals around the country, said Alan Muney, a former
Cigna Corp. executive. “This is probably typical of what you’re going to
see across big delivery systems,” he said.

Prices paid by private insurers in the nation’s $1.2 trillion hospital
sector are often far higher than the amounts paid to hospitals by the
Medicare program, which are set by the government. Plans offered by
insurers under Medicare or Medicaid often get rates tied to those
mandated prices.

For commercial plans that aren’t backed by the government, which include
employer coverage, insurers negotiate confidential contracts for what
they and their clients pay.

Generally, insurers win better rates if they can steer more patients to
the hospital, according to former insurance executives. Insurers with
more market share tend generally to achieve more favorable pricing, and
they may also get price breaks for plans that push patients to a
particular hospital system, often by limiting the number of its rivals
included in their networks.

Hospitals, for their part, set prices that can have little bearing on
the actual cost or value of a service. They often operate without
knowing the cost of procedures, unlike other industries that closely
track and manage expenses, said David Cutler, an economist at Harvard
University who studies healthcare spending. Hospitals instead set prices
based on their own targets for overall margins and according to what the
market will pay, he said.

Hospitals typically rely on privately insured patients for their
margins. One study looked at the profits of more than 2,800 hospitals
over a decade and found hospitals that boosted margins didn’t cut costs,
but instead raised revenue by increasing the rates they charged to
commercial insurers. Other studies found hospitals under revenue
pressure do manage costs more tightly to protect margins, but where
hospitals have market power, they raise prices.

Economists say price increases can also reflect investment to boost
quality and technology gains, but also warn numerous studies have found
quality is no better or worse at high-price hospitals. “We have not
found evidence that price is a great signal for quality,” said Michael
Chernew, the Leonard D. Schaeffer Professor of Health Care Policy at
Harvard Medical School.

Despite the Trump administration regulation mandating the pricing
disclosures by Jan. 1, some of the largest hospital operators, including
CommonSpirit Health and HCA Healthcare Inc., and prominent regional
systems, such as Mayo Clinic and NewYork-Presbyterian, haven’t fully
unveiled their prices.

Under the federal transparency requirement, hospitals must publish the
rates they charge specific insurers for 300 common services considered
“shoppable” in a way consumers can easily access. They are also required
to offer pricing data on all their services online in a format that can
be read by a machine. Insurers are supposed to make similar disclosures,
with mandates phased in starting next year.
Share your thoughts

Will knowing the prices hospitals charge change the way you access
health care? What other outcomes do you see coming from the release of
this data? Join the conversation below.

CommonSpirit said it has been focused on the pandemic and is “diligently
working” to compile the information. An HCA Healthcare spokesman said it
“will continue to post information as our teams work through additional
contracts.” Mayo Clinic said it planned to post negotiated rates by the
spring. NewYork-Presbyterian said in a statement that it “will be
working to improve and regularly update what is posted including a
definition of terms and a cost calculator.”

At least one hospital owner, Texas-based Christus Health, said on its
website that it didn’t plan to publish its negotiated rates “because it
provides something that will only be useful for our competitors.” A
spokeswoman for the nonprofit, which includes 50 hospitals, said it was
offering a tool so consumers could look up pricing on 300 services, and
also is providing data on prices paid by Medicare and Medicaid plans.

Revealing the negotiated rates “will not accurately inform patients of
out-of-pocket costs, but rather will lead to confusion and encourage
anticompetitive behavior,” a Christus spokeswoman said.

The penalties for failing to meet the pricing-disclosure requirements,
as much as $300 a day for each hospital, may not be high enough to force
large hospital systems into compliance, said Amanda Starc, an associate
professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management.

Nurses make their rounds at Christus Santa Rosa Hospital in New
Braunfels, Texas.
Photo: Mikala Compton/Associated Press

A spokesman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which
issued the pricing-transparency rule, said it is auditing a sample of
hospitals for compliance and investigating complaints. The agency hasn’t
offered any extensions of the Jan. 1 deadline.

In the short term, the newly revealed rates may have limited impact on
consumers. Those with coverage would likely still need to check with
their insurers to know what they could owe for services.

But insurers and hospitals are expected to look closely. Employers, too,
will tap the new data, using it to help choose which hospitals to use
and to negotiate with insurers, said Elizabeth Mitchell, chief executive
of the Purchaser Business Group on Health, which represents major employers.

To illuminate the market dynamics, The Wall Street Journal downloaded
Sutter’s data on pricing of 300 common services. The Journal’s analysis
focused on seven of those services, which were linked to billing codes
known as a Diagnostic Related Services, or DRGs. Medicare uses DRGs to
establish payment rates that are based on the average hospital resources
used to treat patients in a given diagnostic group.

For the DRGs analyzed by the Journal, Sutter said the commercial and
government-backed plan rates are typically straightforward figures.
However, the rates listed for out-of-network use and cash payment, which
are derived in a different way, can vary based on an individual
patient’s circumstances, Sutter said.

All of Sutter’s hospitals showed significant spreads in their negotiated
prices on the seven inpatient procedures, though the largest variations
in dollar values came with the priciest types of care. One example is
the Modesto hospital cardiac code, which is for cardiac-valve and other
major procedures involving catheterization, performed on patients with
risk factors.

Seven insurers pay the lowest negotiated rate, $89,752, for their
Medicare plans. The lowest price for a commercial-insurance plan, the
type offered to employers, is $197,900. At the top end, the charge is
$515,697 for patients whose health plans don’t have the hospital in-network.

For hip- and knee replacements, Medicaid and Medicare plans paid the
lowest prices at the Modesto hospital, $3,264 and $16,349, respectively.
The lowest price paid by a commercial insurer totaled $51,895. The
highest rate reached $81,617, again for patients whose insurance didn’t
include the Modesto hospital in-network.

The rates paid by Medicaid and Medicare plans generally don’t cover
costs, a Sutter spokeswoman said.

Around the country, hospitals have bought up rivals and tied in doctor
groups and other types of healthcare. That has given them huge leverage
in rate negotiations with insurers, according to researchers and
health-insurance executives.

Research suggests hospital prices rise with consolidation, healthcare
economists said. The hospital industry has said its mergers aim to add
efficiency and improve quality. One recent study found no quality gains
after deals.

Sutter’s rates are generally high compared with other hospitals,
according to prior research by the Rand Corp. think tank.

Mr. Dean, Sutter’s chief financial officer, rejected the idea that the
level of its prices or their range across health plans reflected greater
leverage for the hospital system in negotiations with payers. “The
variation in the data reflects robust competition in the markets for
commercial insurance,” he said.

Insurers give priority to some services for pricing negotiations over
others, depending on the health plan network and members covered by the
plan, he said. Plans also negotiate prices for groups of services, not
individually.

Also, a big insurer will likely have several rates for the same hospital
service among the types of plans it offers. For instance, at a Sutter
hospital in Berkeley, Calif., Anthem Inc. is paying several different
prices for a vaginal birth. Its Medicaid plan pays $6,337, according to
the Sutter data. But the rate listed for Anthem’s commercial plans is
more than double that, at $14,928.

The outside of the Sutter Health Alta Bates Herrick Campus medical
center in Berkeley, Calif.
Photo: Smith Collection/Gado/Getty Images

An Anthem spokeswoman said its contracts with hospitals “achieve sizable
overall savings for our members and employers,” and “looking at a list
of prices without the full context makes it impossible to draw
meaningful conclusions.”

C-section prices at the Van Ness location of Sutter’s California Pacific
Medical Center provide a fuller picture of the results of the
behind-the-scenes price-setting process.

As is typical, the lowest rates are for insurers’ plans under programs
such as Medicare and Medicaid. That’s the case for the $6,241 price tag
at Sutter’s Van Ness location for the Health Plan of San Mateo, a
nonprofit that mostly covers Medicaid enrollees. A spokeswoman for the
plan said it pays hospital rates mandated by the state.

There’s a significant jump from those prices to the rates paid by
commercial insurers. Among the lower of these is the $15,753 Sutter
charges its own plan, and a $16,922 rate it charges for patients covered
by a UnitedHealth Group Inc. product with a limited network of
healthcare providers.

Major national insurer Cigna is paying $29,257 for the C-section. At the
top of the scale, in some cases, Sutter is charging $60,584 for the
procedure when the hospital is out of the insurer’s network. And for
those patients who pay cash, the listed rate is $38,264.

Sutter’s Mr. Dean said that its own plan and the UnitedHealth plan help
integrate care within its system, so “we can deliver greater value at a
lower cost.”

A UnitedHealth spokesman said that its plan may have lower rates
“because we work with high-performing providers to lower healthcare
costs through improved health outcomes, data sharing, and a
more-coordinated care experience.”

A Cigna spokesman said it supports price transparency, and the limited
example examined by the Journal “is in no way indicative of value nor
cost competitiveness.”

Write to Anna Wilde Mathews at anna.mathews-at-wsj.com, Tom McGinty at
tom.mcginty-at-wsj.com and Melanie Evans at Melanie.Evans-at-wsj.com


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  45. 2021-02-05 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP-2.10 and
  46. 2021-02-05 Elle Stone <ellestone-at-ninedegreesbelow.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP-2.10 and
  47. 2021-02-05 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Problem
  48. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Put Down Your phone
  49. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: So Many Prizes But So Little Time! Early
  50. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] normal is normal
  51. 2021-02-07 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  52. 2021-02-07 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [EXT]
  53. 2021-02-07 Steven Haigh <netwiz-at-crc.id.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  54. 2021-02-07 Steven Haigh <netwiz-at-crc.id.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  55. 2021-02-07 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] (no subject)
  56. 2021-02-06 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  57. 2021-02-06 Steven Haigh <netwiz-at-crc.id.au> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  58. 2021-02-07 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  59. 2021-02-07 akovia via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Problem with text
  60. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP-2.10 and
  61. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Slide to depression that no stimulus can fix...
  62. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus Mutation Basics and the Economy
  63. 2021-02-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] So now where are we at ...
  64. 2021-02-08 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce
  65. 2021-02-07 montefiore-jobnotification-at-noreply.jobs2web.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New jobs posted from careers.montefiore.org
  66. 2021-02-07 RSA / Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim <info-at-kollelauction.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] So Many Prizes... Only 3 Days Left Until The
  67. 2021-02-08 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #498 - Perl.com is back
  68. 2021-02-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce
  69. 2021-02-08 Erik Lauritsen <eriklauritsen-at-yandex.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Please make an antix-announce
  70. 2021-02-09 Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha-at-riseup.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  71. 2021-02-09 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  72. 2021-02-09 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  73. 2021-02-09 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  74. 2021-02-09 Clive Eisen <clive-at-hildebrand.co.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  75. 2021-02-09 Rafael Caceres <rcaceres-at-aasa.com.pe> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  76. 2021-02-09 Clive Eisen <clive-at-hildebrand.co.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  77. 2021-02-09 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  78. 2021-02-08 Steven Haigh <netwiz-at-crc.id.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  79. 2021-02-09 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  80. 2021-02-09 Vincent Veyron <vv.lists-at-wanadoo.fr> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  81. 2021-02-08 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  82. 2021-02-07 From: "Wesley Peng" <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  83. 2021-02-08 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  84. 2021-02-08 Steven Haigh <netwiz-at-crc.id.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  85. 2021-02-08 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  86. 2021-02-08 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  87. 2021-02-07 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  88. 2021-02-07 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  89. 2021-02-07 Chris <cpb_mod_perl-at-bennettconstruction.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  90. 2021-02-07 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  91. 2021-02-07 John Dunlap <John-at-lariat.co> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  92. 2021-02-07 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  93. 2021-02-07 Vincent Veyron <vv.lists-at-wanadoo.fr> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  94. 2021-02-09 From: "Con Edison Marketplace [Masked]" <FWD.41y4n0uw889n-at-opayq.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Don=E2=80=99t_Miss_Our_Best_Deal=3A_?=
  95. 2021-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] milton freedman
  96. 2021-02-09 From: "M.R.P. zensky via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Plain light color with Gimp
  97. 2021-02-07 nick glos via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] gimp-user-list Digest, Vol 113,
  98. 2021-02-08 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Problem with text
  99. 2021-02-07 From: =?utf-8?q?Jehan_Pag=C3=A8s_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP-2.10 and
  100. 2021-02-11 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  101. 2021-02-10 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  102. 2021-02-10 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  103. 2021-02-11 Ken Moffat via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] To the GIMP team - in need of an
  104. 2021-02-08 From: =?utf-8?q?Jacques_Le_F=C3=A8vre_via_gimp-user-list?= Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] To the GIMP team - in need of an old
  105. 2021-02-11 Ken Moffat via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] To the GIMP team - in need of an
  106. 2021-02-11 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] To the GIMP team - in need of an
  107. 2021-02-11 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  108. 2021-02-11 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  109. 2021-02-10 Stan Pioro via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  110. 2021-02-10 Stan Pioro via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  111. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I hate Joe Biden - He is a lie sleezeball
  112. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] time to end trade with china
  113. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Not being silent in the face of broad lies
  114. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The rel cost of lockdowns
  115. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The healthcare economy scam that screws everyone
  116. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] I hate Joe Biden - He is a lie
  117. 2021-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Never trust the Times anyway
  118. 2021-02-12 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  119. 2021-02-12 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  120. 2021-02-12 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  121. 2021-02-12 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  122. 2021-02-12 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  123. 2021-02-11 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  124. 2021-02-11 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Adding a text box
  125. 2021-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Turtle Pond
  126. 2021-02-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Let something random into your life
  127. 2021-02-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Roadside Attractions in California
  128. 2021-02-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Domestic breakdown
  129. 2021-02-15 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  130. 2021-02-14 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  131. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  132. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  133. 2021-02-14 Jeff Pohlmeyer <yetanothergeek-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  134. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  135. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  136. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  137. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  138. 2021-02-14 Kian Kasad <kian-at-kasad.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  139. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  140. 2021-02-14 Kian Kasad <kian-at-kasad.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  141. 2021-02-14 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  142. 2021-02-13 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  143. 2021-02-13 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] lvm2-s6 upgrade "from
  144. 2021-02-15 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  145. 2021-02-14 Alexandre Oliva <lxoliva-at-fsfla.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Linux-libre 5.11-gnu (ilovefs)
  146. 2021-02-15 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  147. 2021-02-15 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health: ICD-10 coding, recipes,
  148. 2021-02-14 Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha-at-riseup.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health:
  149. 2021-02-15 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  150. 2021-02-15 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #499 - Farewell Kent Frederic
  151. 2021-02-15 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  152. 2021-02-15 Dudemanguy <dudemanguy-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  153. 2021-02-15 Kian Kasad <kian-at-kasad.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  154. 2021-02-15 Javier <je-vv-at-e.email> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] random boot error ->
  155. 2021-02-15 Sis 3 via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Using overlays in Gimp
  156. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] as we actually already knew because we have lived
  157. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] as we actually already knew because we have lived
  158. 2021-02-16 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] as we actually already knew because we have
  159. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] as we actually already knew because
  160. 2021-02-16 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] as we actually already knew because
  161. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Pandemic Economy - The New Depression Apply Cart
  162. 2021-02-16 Kollel Ner Dovid / Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim <info-at-kollelauction.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Last Chance! Deadline Is Tonight!! Free Trip to
  163. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Where are we at not and how we got here ==>
  164. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] as we actually already knew because we have
  165. 2021-02-16 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] as we actually already knew because we have
  166. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Schools are for students or teachers?
  167. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Our Friends in Iran can smell blood in the water..
  168. 2021-02-16 Jason Cooper <jason+artix-at-coldbeach.io> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit for background (boo!)
  169. 2021-02-16 Jason Cooper <jason+artix-at-coldbeach.io> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit for background (boo!)
  170. 2021-02-16 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Using overlays in Gimp
  171. 2021-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bitcoin Mayheim
  172. 2021-02-17 From: =?utf-8?Q?Hackaday?= <newsletter-at-hackaday.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Lots_of_Clocks=2C_a_Blinky_Skirt=2C_?=
  173. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coming economic troubles
  174. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coming economic troubles
  175. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Aliens are coming... really are.
  176. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coming economic troubles ii
  177. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bailing out bad left-wing power grabbing policy
  178. 2021-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coumo consipracies
  179. 2021-02-17 From: "Pharmacy Times Continuing Education" <reply-at-email.pharmacytimes.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sunday Symposium: PCSK9
  180. 2021-02-18 Robin Simmons <robin-at-lenkeninternational.co.uk> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Darktable plug-in stopped working
  181. 2021-02-19 Victor Cubelo via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Problem with GIMP Tool
  182. 2021-02-20 Robin Simmons <robin-at-lenkeninternational.co.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Darktable plug-in stopped working
  183. 2021-02-20 Robin Simmons <robin-at-lenkeninternational.co.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Darktable plug-in stopped working
  184. 2021-02-20 James Curione via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.10.22 on iMac
  185. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Israel goes FULL BOOR Facistist Survailence State
  186. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] II - Israel goes FULL BOOR Facistist Survailence
  187. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] III - Israel goes FULL BOOR Facistist Survailence
  188. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] We are on the tipping point...
  189. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Pandemic Economy
  190. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The war on natural gas will soon be coming home
  191. 2021-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Homelessness problem stubburnly gets worst adn
  192. 2021-02-22 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #500 - TPF and TRF
  193. 2021-02-22 Michael Gates via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] import about 400 .svg as layers
  194. 2021-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccinations and Lockdowns and the Faucci Fanatism
  195. 2021-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Domestic-Terrorism_Bill_Is_=E2=80=98?=
  196. 2021-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Domestic-Terrorism_Bill_Is_=E2=80=98?=
  197. 2021-02-23 From: "APhA - American Pharmacists Association" <infocenter-at-aphanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Information from Industry: Single-dose flu
  198. 2021-02-24 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] online seminar GNU Health: MyGNUHealth:
  199. 2021-02-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] If One Mask works to generate lethal strains,
  200. 2021-02-24 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] If One Mask works to generate lethal
  201. 2021-02-24 From: "Pat Schloss" <pdschloss-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] Updated workshop schedule and databases
  202. 2021-02-25 garpin <garpin-at-protonmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Possible GPL violation on Mac App Store
  203. 2021-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Cracks in the use of executive power coming fro
  204. 2021-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Election irregularities on a regular schedule..
  205. 2021-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] We need to end our trade with China
  206. 2021-02-27 Qontinuum <qontinuum.dev-at-protonmail.ch> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] New Artix mirror
  207. 2021-02-26 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  208. 2021-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mars
  209. 2021-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Rose Colored Racism
  210. 2021-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 being used as the death of the free and
  211. 2021-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 being used as the death of the free and
  212. 2021-02-27 Qontinuum <qontinuum.dev-at-protonmail.ch> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] New Artix mirror
  213. 2021-02-16 Jason Cooper <jason+artix-at-coldbeach.io> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit for background (boo!)
  214. 2021-02-22 Kevin Payne via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to get a lighter neutral tone
  215. 2021-02-21 Ofnuts via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to get a lighter neutral tone
  216. 2021-02-20 Ross Martinek <triarius-at-att.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.10.22 on iMac
  217. 2021-02-21 From: "M.R.P. zensky via gimp-user-list" <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] How to get a lighter neutral tone
  218. 2021-02-23 Wesley Peng <wesley-at-pengfamily.de> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] modperl vs fastcgi
  219. 2021-02-19 Charles Pigott <cpigott-at-rapitasystems.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SIGSEGV crash due to undefined behaviour when
  220. 2021-02-12 Chris <cpb_mod_perl-at-bennettconstruction.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  221. 2021-02-09 Dave Morgan <dave-at-1001111.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  222. 2021-02-11 Chris <cpb_mod_perl-at-bennettconstruction.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  223. 2021-02-12 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and
  224. 2021-02-22 Charles Pigott <cpigott-at-rapitasystems.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] SIGSEGV crash due to undefined behaviour when
  225. 2021-02-22 Steve Hay <steve.m.hay-at-googlemail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] SIGSEGV crash due to undefined behaviour when
  226. 2021-02-11 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving ExecCGI to mod_perl - performance and

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