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MESSAGE
DATE 2020-11-20
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] drug prices and medical economics
*** In Europe, governments control drug prices in a variety of ways. In
some cases, a country’s national health service buys drugs and sets a
price that manufacturers must meet to sell their product. U.S. prices
are set on the open market and through negotiation by insurers and
hospitals.***

NEVER. There is ZERO open market for drugs. Negotion with inusrers is
no different or better than socilized medicine, and they take kick backs
and distort the real market.




wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Trump Administration to Release New Rules Reducing
Drug Costs
Stephanie Armour
5-7 minutes

The Trump administration is planning on Friday to roll out two final
rules aimed at lowering drug prices—one curbing rebates paid to
middlemen in Medicare and another pegging the prices of certain
prescription drugs in the U.S. to their prices in other developed
countries, according to a person familiar with the planning.

The plans, slated to be announced in the White House Rose Garden, have
been a signature pledge of President Trump’s since his 2016 election
campaign. Both rules are expected to be final, meaning they have
completed the required public comment period and can take effect
immediately.

Drugmakers, pharmacy-benefit managers, and others in the pharmaceutical
industry had lobbied over the two rules. Drugmakers had hoped to stop
the first-ever price controls linked to prices charged in other nations.
Pharmacy-benefit managers, which serve as third parties that manage
benefits for Medicare as well as Medicaid managed care, fought to curb
rebates that are worked out between themselves and drugmakers.

The government has said it seeks to redirect those discounts toward
patients.

Ending the rebates would save the drug companies billions of dollars
they pay to the middlemen in Medicare, the federal health-insurance
program for seniors and the disabled. An earlier version of the rule was
withdrawn in 2019 because some White House advisers raised concerns
about actuarial reports showing it could increase Medicare premiums.

Mr. Trump in July signed an executive order that revived the rule and
added a requirement that it not raise premiums or increase federal
spending. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar is expected to
include a letter with the rule stating that it won’t increase premiums,
according to the person familiar with the plans.

An analysis of the earlier drug rebate rule by the Congressional Budget
Office indicated it would boost federal spending by $177 billion and
raise Medicare part D premiums between 2020 and 2029. Medicare Part D is
the prescription drug benefit for the health program covering people age
65 and older.

Under the current system, pharmacy-benefit managers negotiate
confidential rebates and discounts on many branded prescription drugs.
Those deals aren’t always passed along to customers at pharmacies.

Drugmakers have sought to stop paying the rebates, but pharmacy-benefit
managers, including Cigna Corp.’s Express Scripts, CVS Health Corp.’s
Caremark and UnitedHealth Group Inc.’s OptumRx, have opposed the rule
because they retain some of the rebates.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services didn’t
immediately respond to a request for comment on the rules.

The rule pegging certain prescription drug prices to prices in other
countries, also known as most-favored nation drug pricing, is expected
to be announced as an interim final rule, which means it wouldn’t
undergo additional public comment before going into effect immediately.

The rule aims to strong-arm pharmaceutical companies to lower prices for
some of the highest-cost drugs in Medicare.

A spokeswoman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of
America, or PhRMA, said the rule would “allow foreign governments to
arbitrarily decide what medicines are worth in the United States and
what diseases are worth investing in.”

The federal government is expected to change how it pays for some drugs
in Medicare Part B, which includes drugs administered by health
providers, and Part D, by tying them to the prices in other developed
countries, which are often lower than prices in the U.S.

In Europe, governments control drug prices in a variety of ways. In some
cases, a country’s national health service buys drugs and sets a price
that manufacturers must meet to sell their product. U.S. prices are set
on the open market and through negotiation by insurers and hospitals.

Mr. Trump has repeatedly pledged to move forward with the idea, signing
an executive order mandating it in September after first proposing the
price control in 2018, but industry watchers said they were unsure if
the proposal would proceed after the election.

Some health-policy leaders expect the rule could face legal opposition.
They have said it would deprive them of money they use for innovation
and research and could stifle the development of new therapies and
treatments.

The changes under the rule are likely to be driven through pilot
programs operated by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

One-fourth of adults taking prescription medications said it is
difficult to afford their drugs, according to a March 2019 poll by the
Kaiser Family Foundation.

Some congressional Republicans have opposed the rule on the grounds that
it could stifle development. Some Democrats have backed it, saying it
would lower costs.

The future of the rules once President-elect Joe Biden takes office is
uncertain. Mr. Biden has called for a system or federal group to
evaluate fair prices for drugs and called for limits on the prices of
newly launched drugs.

Write to Stephanie Armour at stephanie.armour-at-wsj.com

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  97. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Facebook AI, China and censorship
  98. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Our Chinese Partners who we depend on for
  99. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Doing business with trators and genocidal
  100. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vacinne or No vaccine - Biden transition
  101. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Selfidentification in the global economy
  102. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading partners
  103. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading
  104. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Social Pressure on Tawain is how China will treat
  105. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on your cellphone spying
  106. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Men's rights
  107. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what I
  108. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what
  109. 2020-11-16 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors ?
  110. 2020-11-16 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #486 - Why do we use Perl?
  111. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  112. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  113. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tux phones
  114. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | The
  115. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Beware ATF Form 4473 [ FYI ]
  116. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  117. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  118. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Radio Show
  119. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  120. 2020-11-17 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  121. 2020-11-17 Liz Moore <lizmoorerph-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  122. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  123. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  124. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SuSE going IPO
  125. 2020-11-17 From: "John Sullivan, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Support the free software journey
  126. 2020-11-18 From: "Pat Schloss" <pdschloss-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] Code Club series and upcoming mothur and
  127. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] retail craziness and target
  128. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tracking waves through the economy and it DOES
  129. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] More of the same puts our healthcare system at
  130. 2020-11-18 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Passport needed to enter Pennsylvania | | *** The
  131. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Abandoning our children
  132. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus resolution just not soon enough - but on a
  133. 2020-11-18 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  134. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine development breakthroughs and high Tech
  135. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine drag out by Faucci
  136. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Elli Lilly FDA citations
  137. 2020-11-19 George Moskowitz MD <yehudazev-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: A True Story of the invisible but dangerous
  138. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Masking Mandates
  139. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part II
  140. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part III
  141. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] previous radio show
  142. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccines politics and WHO
  143. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccines in History
  144. 2020-11-19 From: "Canarsie Courier" <emailsentby-at-icontactmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Inside This Week's Edition of the Canarsie Courier
  145. 2020-11-20 From: "Greg Farough, DbD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF Giving Guide: It's the thought that counts,
  146. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Test kit problems
  147. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] lockdowns killed Macy's, and with that,
  148. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] drug prices and medical economics
  149. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccine cheat sheet
  150. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ain BnB and Communist China survalience and data
  151. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  152. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  153. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  154. 2020-11-22 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  155. 2020-11-21 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  156. 2020-11-23 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #487 - CPAN Dashboard explained
  157. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Immunology and COVID-19 from Ariel U - tomorrow
  158. 2020-11-23 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Guix 1.2.0 released
  159. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Call for Distinguished Lecturers
  160. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: GnuPG 2.2.25 released
  161. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Applied Math R and Stats etc
  162. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cable will screw you more this coming year
  163. 2020-11-23 From: "Ruben Rodriguez, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving into the future with the FSF tech team
  164. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Student Loan relief, and governance by fiat..
  165. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 2001 - just in case anyone missed this
  166. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your personal
  167. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your
  168. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FWIW - Trump continues to deliver on his promises
  169. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  170. 2020-11-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  171. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Washington Times: Biden won thousands of
  172. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  173. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  174. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a small amount of COVID-19 justice
  175. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  176. 2020-11-29 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  177. 2020-11-28 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  178. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  179. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress initrd
  180. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from AUR
  181. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  182. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The death of our freedom to travel (like it is in
  183. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the real end of the free world... this is it..
  184. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snowden now...
  185. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The effects of industiral shutdown on the
  186. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] the real end of the free world...
  187. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dovid and Itka Safir fighting for Social justice
  188. 2020-11-29 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  189. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  190. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Supreme Court and the Census - the REAL
  191. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Voting system has fraud baked in...
  192. 2020-11-30 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #488 - Advent Calendar 2020
  193. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Can folks see this image?
  194. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [artix-gen] python2-pillow
  195. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  196. 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  197. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  198. 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  199. 2020-11-17 Joe Orton <jorton-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released
  200. 2020-11-17 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released

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