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DATE 2020-11-05
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Chinaization of the West in the advent of the
This is what the continued mainstream political course has done to our
society and economy. We have put ourselves, especially Obama and Biden,
in the position of being dependent and competing with Chinese Slave
Labor and Communist politics and we totally fucked ourselves.


wsj.com
Western Economies Embrace State Intervention, Emulating Asia
Tom Fairless and Stella Yifan Xie
12-15 minutes

FRANKFURT—Western governments are taking a page from their Asian rivals
and moving away from the free-market doctrine that defined their
economic thinking for decades, instead embracing greater state control
of business activity.

The shift reflects a deep anxiety about the West’s ability to maintain
its living standards and technological edge while competing with giant
state-backed companies in China and elsewhere in Asia.

The trend is being accelerated by the Covid-19 pandemic, which has
prompted a rethink of the balance between the state and private sector,
as well as fresh ideas about how giant stimulus programs in Europe and
the U.S. could be deployed to reshape economies.

In the European Union, an export powerhouse that had long prized
laissez-faire policies and free trade, leaders last month vowed to erect
barriers to foreign competitors, repatriate production of key
technologies, reduce dependencies in sensitive industries such as
health, and create new digital champions.

Italian state-backed lender Cassa Depositi e Prestiti last month took a
stake in European exchange operator Euronext NV to support its buyout of
the Italian stock exchange. Germany’s government recently demanded a 20%
stake in national flag carrier Deutsche Lufthansa AG , which was
privatized in 1997, and two supervisory board seats, in return for a $10
billion bailout.

In the U.S., both main political parties are moving toward a stronger
role for the government on economic issues. The administration and
lawmakers from both parties also are pushing for additional funding to
help the U.S. semiconductor industry keep its edge over China, offering
incentives to chip firms to build factories in the U.S. and funding
technology research. So far, Congress hasn’t agreed on funding to put
the plans into action. Should former Vice President Joe Biden prevail in
the presidential election, he has said he would put huge funding into
industrial policy efforts.

“It’s a major historical development,” said Adam Posen, a former Bank of
England policy maker who is now president of the Peterson Institute for
International Economics in Washington. “It’s a reaction to China. It’s a
reaction to Covid-19 and wanting to have more reliability and government
control.”

The changes reflect a fundamental philosophical shift away from the
market-oriented consensus dominant in the West since around 1980, which
emphasizes a reduction in state support for businesses, the removal of
regulations impeding competition, and trade liberalization.

State of PlayState-owned enterprises dominate rankingsof the world’s
biggest companies.Revenue, 2019Source: Fortune Global 500

$524 billion407384379330283281Walmart (U.S.)Sinopec Group (China)State
Grid (China)China National Petroleum (China)Saudi Aramco (Saudi
Arabia)Volkswagen Group (Germany)Amazon.com (U.S.)

Now, as Western governments wield enormous stimulus packages, they are
pouring money into industries traditionally considered beyond the remit
of the state.

Italy plans to spend 2 billion euros, equivalent to $2.3 billion, to buy
and refurbish hotels devastated by the crash in tourism. In France,
authorities plan to spend hundreds of millions of euros to buy local
stores to support quintessentially French businesses such as bakeries
and cheese shops.

In the U.K., Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government has signaled it
will pursue an aggressive industrial policy of state aid to businesses
after Brexit, risking a rift with the EU.

“The public are prepared for the state to play a bigger role in all
sorts of things,” said Gus O’Donnell, former head of the U.K. civil service.

Across Europe, businesses and policy makers are fearful of being
squeezed out of new digital industries dominated by U.S. and Chinese
companies.

Meanwhile, the pandemic has driven Asian countries to double down on the
tradition of state intervention that has fueled extraordinary growth and
produced winning industries such as electronics manufacturing in South
Korea and Japan, and China’s solar power and semiconductor industries.

“One thing we could learn [from China] is to make a strategy and stick
to it,” especially in new digital industries, said Margrethe Vestager,
executive vice president of the European Commission, in an interview.
SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

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The Trump administration’s trade policy, which requires China to buy
more goods from the U.S., depends on Beijing ordering state-owned
companies to increase their purchases. Administration officials say they
are simply accepting Chinese economic policy as it is, rather than
trying to compel China to rely more on market forces.

There are risks to the new approach. Some governments have demonstrated
limited expertise in picking the companies and industries to invest in,
with Asian countries pouring money into such efforts over decades, some
of it without success.

In China, concerns are growing among some economists that a fresh wave
of government spending on power, gas and water-supply
infrastructure—which it hopes will lift the economy—will exacerbate
overinvestment in those sectors.

In Europe, the Common Agricultural Policy became infamous for generating
huge inefficiencies—so-called butter mountains and lakes of wine. The
Italian government has spent billions of euros trying to make airline
Alitalia a success, only for it to continue losing money.

While large-scale government and military programs helped seed important
industries during World War II and later led to the creation of the
internet, the pendulum swung back to small government in the 1980s, when
Western governments got out of businesses such as telecoms, utilities
and transport.

China is pouring tens billions of dollars into industries it has
identified as strategic priorities, such as semiconductors.
Photo: Costfoto/Barcroft Media/Getty Images

Economically successful East Asian nations including Japan, South Korea
and Taiwan have a history of government intervention and encouraging big
export industries. Close ties between governments and the private sector
are widely credited for having lifted the region out of poverty.

The aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis eased decades of skepticism
toward big government. The countries that intervened most, such as the
U.S. and China, emerged strongest, while those that were most stringent,
including Southern Europe, were hobbled for years.

Chinese state-owned enterprises doled out more than 4 trillion yuan,
equivalent to $600 billion, to build bridges, airports and other
infrastructure. Between 2012 and 2018, the value of Chinese state
companies’ assets grew more than 15% annually, well over twice the
growth rate of the country’s economy, according to the Peterson
Institute for International Economics.

“The sheer scale of China’s economic growth has raised the global
profile and attraction of the state capitalist model,” said William L.
Megginson, professor of finance at the University of Oklahoma.

Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.

0:00 / 7:09

4:10

Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.

Tech Decoupling: China's Race to End Its Reliance on the U.S.
The tech battle between the U.S. and China has battered TikTok and
Huawei and startled American companies that produce and sell in China.
WSJ explains how Beijing is pouring money into high-tech chips as it
wants to become self-sufficient. Video/Illustration: George Downs/The
Wall Street Journal

Efforts to bolster certain industries have gained urgency in the West as
China’s focus shifts from cheaper goods to the more expensive products
that U.S. and European companies specialize in.

China is pouring tens billions of dollars into industries it has
identified as strategic priorities, such as semiconductors and robotics,
while Chinese authorities use favorable policies to nurture homegrown
high-tech companies. Covid-19 has led to more trade protectionism,
prompting Beijing to speed up efforts to reduce dependence on foreign
core technologies.

In Germany, businesses are calling on the government for help advancing
in future technologies as the nation’s large auto sector sags—and
countering an increasingly competitive China.

“In some areas we are losing ground to China, such as the electronics
industry,” said Toralf Haag, chief executive of Voith Group, a German
engineering company. The huge investments needed to foster new
technologies are “too big of a project to lift for companies alone.”

China is using favorable policies to nurture homegrown tech companies.
Photo: Cai Yang/Zuma Press

In Brussels, European lawmakers are pushing to relax rules limiting
state aid in a bid to spur the creation of national champions.

Meanwhile, Asian countries are focusing on the state-centric model.

South Korea in July unveiled a plan worth 5 trillion won, equivalent to
$4.4 billion, to protect its supply chains against disruptions, which
includes incentives for firms to repatriate production. Japan is
spending $2 billion on efforts to bring production back from China or to
diversify it into Southeast Asia.

Chinese state-owned enterprises including China Mobile Ltd. and China
Railway Group Ltd. created more than one million new jobs earlier this
year as private businesses cut spending, according to state media.

Still, some economists argue that China also has a poor record of
picking winners, and that its stunning economic growth has been driven
by the private sector.

“Many of the Chinese interventions…have been failures, but China has
enjoyed enough success in promoting key industries such as solar power,
steel and artificial intelligence that it is perceived as winning,” said
Mr. Megginson.

Businesses—especially in export-oriented countries such as Germany,
Italy and South Korea—worry that renationalizing trade and supply lines
will increase costs while hurting innovation and productivity.

Recently departed Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe put the
government’s muscle behind an effort to export infrastructure such as
nuclear-power plants and bullet trains to Europe and developing nations,
an effort that ended mostly in failure as the recent collapse of a
Hitachi Ltd. -led nuclear-power project in Wales shows.

“I’m not sure the government has a particular knowledge in terms of
which sector might expand. Industrial policy leads to bureaucracy,” said
Carlo Cottarelli, a former Italian government official who headed an
ill-fated attempt to cut government waste.

—Eun Young Jeong contributed to this article.
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  69. 2020-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: New article by the GNU Education Team
  70. 2020-11-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  71. 2020-11-12 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  72. 2020-11-12 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  73. 2020-11-10 Liz Moore via Docs <docs-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] New York City on Cusp of Second Wave
  74. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  75. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Congradulations - Now every child is a Google
  76. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Digging in for the new normal - Invest in
  77. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] teaching to think...
  78. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Biden to put the IRS on your smalphone
  79. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Nation is going bankrupt,
  80. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Israel E-Scooter Crazy
  81. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  82. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  83. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Threat continues
  84. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Continuation of Governance by executive EDICT -
  85. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The real dangers of facial recognition software
  86. 2020-11-13 Humberto Freitas <humberto.freitas310-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  87. 2020-11-13 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  88. 2020-11-13 Humberto Freitas <humberto.freitas310-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Setting up commissions on GNU Health
  89. 2020-11-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Joe_Biden=E2=80=99s_Lockdown_Lobby?=
  90. 2020-11-13 From: "Xavier B. via artix-general" <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Was pandoc-bin dropped from
  91. 2020-11-13 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth
  92. 2020-11-13 LKH via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] 10-bit display color depth support
  93. 2020-11-01 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Color map is different than Color
  94. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herb Immunity - a lot closer than they admitted
  95. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Merchant of venice - entertainment for the
  96. 2020-11-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The rise of C++
  97. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Facebook AI, China and censorship
  98. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Our Chinese Partners who we depend on for
  99. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Doing business with trators and genocidal
  100. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vacinne or No vaccine - Biden transition
  101. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Selfidentification in the global economy
  102. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading partners
  103. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is a little Genocide between trading
  104. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Social Pressure on Tawain is how China will treat
  105. 2020-11-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on your cellphone spying
  106. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Men's rights
  107. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what I
  108. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] I am looking for a new phone and this is what
  109. 2020-11-16 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors ?
  110. 2020-11-16 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #486 - Why do we use Perl?
  111. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  112. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] list of linux compatible motherboards/vendors
  113. 2020-11-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tux phones
  114. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | | The
  115. 2020-11-16 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Beware ATF Form 4473 [ FYI ]
  116. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  117. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Carding | | PHOTO MILITARY ID REFUSED | |
  118. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Radio Show
  119. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  120. 2020-11-17 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  121. 2020-11-17 Liz Moore <lizmoorerph-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  122. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  123. 2020-11-17 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Snoden on data collection
  124. 2020-11-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SuSE going IPO
  125. 2020-11-17 From: "John Sullivan, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Support the free software journey
  126. 2020-11-18 From: "Pat Schloss" <pdschloss-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] Code Club series and upcoming mothur and
  127. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] retail craziness and target
  128. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] tracking waves through the economy and it DOES
  129. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] More of the same puts our healthcare system at
  130. 2020-11-18 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Passport needed to enter Pennsylvania | | *** The
  131. 2020-11-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Abandoning our children
  132. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus resolution just not soon enough - but on a
  133. 2020-11-18 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  134. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine development breakthroughs and high Tech
  135. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccine drag out by Faucci
  136. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Elli Lilly FDA citations
  137. 2020-11-19 George Moskowitz MD <yehudazev-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: A True Story of the invisible but dangerous
  138. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Masking Mandates
  139. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part II
  140. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Masking Mandates Part III
  141. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] previous radio show
  142. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccines politics and WHO
  143. 2020-11-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Vaccines in History
  144. 2020-11-19 From: "Canarsie Courier" <emailsentby-at-icontactmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Inside This Week's Edition of the Canarsie Courier
  145. 2020-11-20 From: "Greg Farough, DbD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF Giving Guide: It's the thought that counts,
  146. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Test kit problems
  147. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] lockdowns killed Macy's, and with that,
  148. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] drug prices and medical economics
  149. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] vaccine cheat sheet
  150. 2020-11-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Ain BnB and Communist China survalience and data
  151. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  152. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  153. 2020-11-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] openshot from in artix/arch
  154. 2020-11-22 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  155. 2020-11-21 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP is 25 yo
  156. 2020-11-23 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #487 - CPAN Dashboard explained
  157. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Immunology and COVID-19 from Ariel U - tomorrow
  158. 2020-11-23 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU Guix 1.2.0 released
  159. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Call for Distinguished Lecturers
  160. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: GnuPG 2.2.25 released
  161. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Applied Math R and Stats etc
  162. 2020-11-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cable will screw you more this coming year
  163. 2020-11-23 From: "Ruben Rodriguez, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Moving into the future with the FSF tech team
  164. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Student Loan relief, and governance by fiat..
  165. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] 2001 - just in case anyone missed this
  166. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your personal
  167. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese apps continue to collect your
  168. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FWIW - Trump continues to deliver on his promises
  169. 2020-11-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  170. 2020-11-25 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The New Public Enemy Number One
  171. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fw: Washington Times: Biden won thousands of
  172. 2020-11-26 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  173. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions on building a linux system ?
  174. 2020-11-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a small amount of COVID-19 justice
  175. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  176. 2020-11-29 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  177. 2020-11-28 jc_gargma via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  178. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress
  179. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] generating zstd compress initrd
  180. 2020-11-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from AUR
  181. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] building python-pymupdf from
  182. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The death of our freedom to travel (like it is in
  183. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the real end of the free world... this is it..
  184. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snowden now...
  185. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The effects of industiral shutdown on the
  186. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] the real end of the free world...
  187. 2020-11-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dovid and Itka Safir fighting for Social justice
  188. 2020-11-29 Rabbinical Seminary of America/Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Please Join Our Sefer Torah / Dinner Campaign.
  189. 2020-11-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  190. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Supreme Court and the Census - the REAL
  191. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Voting system has fraud baked in...
  192. 2020-11-30 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #488 - Advent Calendar 2020
  193. 2020-11-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Can folks see this image?
  194. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [artix-gen] python2-pillow
  195. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  196. 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  197. 2020-11-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  198. 2020-11-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsactl restore not
  199. 2020-11-17 Joe Orton <jorton-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released
  200. 2020-11-17 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] libapreq2-2.15 Released

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