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The issue here is multi-dimensional and this Boro Park Mob mentality is
what we are dealing with now. It's never ok to beat down
other jews who disagree with you or ANYONE for that matter. Don't give
credibility to the Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox communities
just because you agree that mask wearing is not working or infringes on
your non-existant religious rights. Plenty of jewish communities outside
of Brooklyn, Queens, and Lakewood are celebrating Sukkos but responsibly so
WEAR THE DAMN MASK. Daven in open air courtyards or spaces but keep
socially distant.

I don't want to become ill or die for anyone and I don't want to be that
person like Trump who becomes a super-spreader.




Orthodox Borough Park Residents Burn Masks, Beat Dissenters Over COVID
Lockdown
BY JAKE OFFENHARTZ
OCT. 7, 2020 9:35 A.M.
=E2=80=A2 390 COMMENTS
-dissenters-over-covid-lockdown?mc_cid=3D72d946df97&mc_eid=3D97197781db#com=
ments>
[image: An Orthodox man tossing a mask into a street fire in Borough Park
earlier Wednesday morning]
An Orthodox man tossing a mask into a street fire in Borough Park earlier
Wednesday morning PROVIDED TO GOTHAMIST

Hundreds of members of Brooklyn's Orthodox community stormed the streets
and synagogues of Borough Park on Tuesday night to protest new coronavirus
restrictions
friday>
imposed
by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Pledging "war" on officials and public health guidance, demonstrators clad
in black religious garb set fires along 13th Avenue and tossed masks into
the flames. They chased away NYC Sheriff's Deputies while shouting "Jewish
Lives Matter," video shows, and attacked a photojournalist
yc-video-shows/>
attempting
to capture the scene.

Another Orthodox man, who'd opposed the anti-mask crowd, was deemed a
"snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters beat him
with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "severely"
injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of Wednesday
morning.

This is a Hasidic counter-protestor who called out people in his community
today for protesting wearing masks.

He was beaten with rocks and is now in critical condition.

The group was led and instigated by -at-JustEnoughHeshy
(who called the=
m
his "soldiers") and -at-KalmanYeger
.
pic.twitter.com/3Men26htez
=E2=80=94 Elad Nehorai (-at-PopChassid) October 7, 2020
5Etfw>

Boro Park uprising against -at-andrewcuomo
-at-nycmayor
has begun. People
starting fires in the street. So not normal. pic.twitter.com/AB5BpfeyvF

=E2=80=94 NYCPHOTOG (-at-nycphotog) October 7, 2020
Etfw>

There is a mask burning going on in Boro Park, Brooklyn.
pic.twitter.com/HKebbFp3pr
=E2=80=94 Yaakov Pollak (-at-Yanky_Pollak) October 7, 2020
c%5Etfw>

Here is the horrific moment a reporter got assaulted by a crowd in Borough
Park tonight pic.twitter.com/r0kpnJm3uc
=E2=80=94 Martin Samoylov (-at-martin_samoylov) October 7, 2020
wsrc%5Etfw>

Police said there were no arrests or summonses issued to the demonstrators.

The violent scene played out hours after Cuomo announced a tiered system of
lockdowns
friday>
in
neighborhoods with spiking infection rates. Across swaths of Central
Brooklyn and Queens, schools and non-essential businesses will be forced to
close, and houses of worship must limit capacity to ten people at a time.

Officials in Borough Park vowed to defy the restrictions on religious
observance.

"I don't care who in government thinks they can stop us," City Councilman
Kalman Yeger, who represents the neighborhood, told protesters on Tuesday.
"They're wrong, let them try."

Councilman -at-KalmanYeger
joins the protest o=
n
#13thAve tfw>
pic.twitter.com/9G2RzkL9oG
=E2=80=94 Boro Park News (-at-BoroPark24) October 7, 2020
5Etfw>

Community resident Heshy Tischler tells protesters in the presence of an
NYPD inspector: =E2=80=9CYou are my soldiers. We are at war.=E2=80=9D
pic.twitter.com/9sneRVxrf3
=E2=80=94 Jacob Kornbluh (-at-jacobkornbluh) October 7, 2020
rc%5Etfw>

Residents in Borough Park have largely flouted public health rules on masks
and gatherings
irus-covid-orthoodox>,
even as the positivity rate in the area has surpassed 8 percent, the
highest in the five boroughs.

"Nobody here has the virus," said a woman walking in Borough Park with her
children on Tuesday, adding that lockdowns were politically motivated by
Democrats. "The president got the virus, he recovered. There are medicines
now."

The overnight protest was organized by Heshy Tischler, an anti-mask
activist and radio host who last month interrupted a public health briefing
scream-racial-epithets>.
He told the crowd on Tuesday that such demonstrations would take place
nightly until the ban on gatherings was lifted. "You are my soldiers," he
said. "We are at war." As he spoke, other demonstrators could be heard
chanting "Donald Trump."

Shulim Leifer, a Hasidic man and former Borough Park resident, said the
community was plagued by right-wing misinformation about the virus.

"What we witnessed is a community that is so lacking in responsible
leadership that thugs and criminals like Heshy Tischler carry the day,"
Leifer told Gothamist on Wednesday morning. "This isn't who we're supposed
to be."

*Additional reporting by Gwynne Hogan.*

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:09 PM Ruben Safir wrote:

> algemeiner.com
> New York Times Flunks Again in Coverage of Jews and Coronavirus
> by Ira Stoll
> 5-6 minutes
>
> A taxi passes by in front of The New York Times head office, Feb. 7,
> 2013. Photo: Reuters / Carlo Allegri / File.
>
> Double standards. Factual errors. Disproportionate coverage and lack of
> context. Conflicting information.
>
> The problems that consistently afflict New York Times coverage of Jews
> and Judaism, particularly Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism, are
> flaring again amid the newspaper=E2=80=99s coverage of New York=E2=80=99s=
latest
> coronavirus outbreak.
>
> A New York Times column this week by Ginia Bellafante faulted the
> =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community for being ill-informed. =E2=80=9CThe =
city needs to do a
> better job at getting information to an insular community that already
> believes it has herd immunity,=E2=80=9D a subheadline over the column sai=
d.
>
> The column begins:
>
> =E2=80=9CDO NOT test your child for Covid.=E2=80=9D
>
> So began a text that recently circulated on the messaging platform
> WhatsApp, among yeshiva parents in Brooklyn=E2=80=99s Orthodox Jewish com=
munity.
>
> A few paragraphs later, the Times column says, =E2=80=9Cmany large Hasidi=
c
> families live in small, cramped apartments, typically without internet
> access and often with just a landline.=E2=80=9D
>
> The end of the column includes the paragraph, =E2=80=9CIn a community tha=
t
> prizes seclusion and remains averse to technology, information has a
> tendency to spread very slowly.=E2=80=9D
>
> So which is it =E2=80=94 landline only and technology averse? Or texting =
on
> WhatsApp? The Times columnist can=E2=80=99t seem to make up her mind abou=
t which
> broad-brush stereotype to deploy in describing Orthodox Jews.
>
> The same column reports:
>
> Governor Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard A. Zucker, have
> also been talking to religious leaders =E2=80=A6One crucial message that =
has yet
> to be received, Dr. Zucker said, is that herd immunity is a myth in
> these communities. Many in this part of Brooklyn believe that because
> the Orthodox were hit so hard by the virus this spring, they must have
> already been sick, and that the crisis has passed. This, according to
> public health officials, is simply not true.
>
> Well, where could this =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community have possibly =
gotten this
> =E2=80=9Cmyth=E2=80=9D of herd immunity from?
>
> Quite possibly from The New York Times itself, which in a July 10 news
> article reported:
>
> According to antibody test results from CityMD that were shared with
> The New York Times, some neighborhoods were so exposed to the virus
> during the peak of the epidemic in March and April that they might have
> some protection during a second wave.
>
> =E2=80=9CSome communities might have herd immunity,=E2=80=9D said Dr.=
Daniel Frogel,
> a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role
> in the city=E2=80=99s testing program=E2=80=A6 While stopping short of pr=
edicting that
> those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of
> the virus =E2=80=94 a phenomenon known as herd immunity =E2=80=94 several
> epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence
> across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming
> that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future
> infection.
>
> =E2=80=9CIn the future, the infection rate should really be lower in
> minority communities,=E2=80=9D said Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and=
the
> dean of the School of Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in
> Brooklyn.
>
> A Times news article headlined =E2=80=9CBacklash Grows in Orthodox Jewish=
Areas
> Over Virus Crackdown by Cuomo=E2=80=9D carries a correction: =E2=80=9CAn =
earlier version
> of this article misstated the title of Simcha Felder. He is a state
> senator, not a state assemblyman.=E2=80=9D
>
> The Times news article describes the protesters against Cuomo and de
> Blasio as a =E2=80=9Cangry=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9Cmob,=E2=80=9D terms th=
e Times has largely avoided
> using to refer to Black Lives Matter protesters, whom the newspaper has
> repeatedly described as =E2=80=9Cmostly peaceful.=E2=80=9D
>
> Three paragraphs of the Times article report =E2=80=9Cthe anger was not l=
imited
> to the Orthodox Jewish community. The Roman Catholic Diocese of
> Brooklyn, which has 1.5 million followers and 210 churches in Brooklyn
> and Queens, said it was taken by surprise by the governor=E2=80=99s
> announcement. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn condemned the new
> rules as =E2=80=98outrageous=E2=80=99 in a statement on Tuesday night.=E2=
=80=9D
>
> =E2=80=9CThe religious freedom of our parishioners is being unjustly atta=
cked,=E2=80=9D
> DiMarzio is quoted as saying.
>
> One wonders why the Catholics are three paragraphs in the middle of a
> long story and headline about the Jews, rather than the Jews being three
> paragraphs in the middle of a long story and headline about the
> Catholics. Maybe the idea of Catholics as spreaders of disease just
> doesn=E2=80=99t resonant as much for New York Times editors? As a libel =
against
> Jews, though, it has a long, sordid history at the Times, of which this
> is just the latest sad chapter.
>
> Ira Stoll was managing editor of The Forward and North American editor
> of The Jerusalem Post. His media critique, a regular Algemeiner feature,
> can be found here.
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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quot;snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters bea=
t him with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "=
;severely" injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of=
Wednesday morning.

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rising against=C2=A0src%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline=
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=C2=A0has begun. People start=
ing fires in the street. So not normal.=C2=A0eyvF" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-posi=
tion:under">pic.twitter.com/AB5BpfeyvF

=E2=80=94 NYCPHOTOG (-at-nycphot=
og)=C2=A06?ref_src=3Dtwsrc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;=
text-underline-position:under">October 7, 2020
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>
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-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">Police said there=
were no arrests or summonses issued to the demonstrators.

ox-sizing:border-box;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;pad=
ding:0px">The violent scene played out hours after Cuomo announced a=C2=A0<=
a href=3D"https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-orders-zoned-shutdowns-ny-covid-=
hotspots-friday" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">tiered system of =
lockdowns=C2=A0in neighborhoods with spiking infection rates. Across sw=
aths of Central Brooklyn and Queens, schools and non-essential businesses w=
ill be forced to close, and houses of worship must limit capacity to ten pe=
ople at a time.

n-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">Officials in Borough Park vowed t=
o defy the restrictions on religious observance.

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"I don't care who in government thinks they can stop us," Cit=
y Councilman Kalman Yeger, who represents the neighborhood, told protesters=
on Tuesday. "They're wrong, let them try."

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ang=3D"en" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;word-break:break-word=
">Councilman=C2=A0c%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-p=
osition:under">-at-KalmanYeger
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yle=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:und=
er">#13thAve
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.com/9G2RzkL9oG

=E2=80=94 Boro Park News (-at-BoroPark24)=C2=A0=3D"https://twitter.com/BoroPark24/status/1313662219918413824?ref_src=3Dtws=
rc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-=
position:under">October 7, 2020
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on:0% 100%;background-repeat:repeat-y;background-size:1px 16px">

en" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;word-break:break-word">Commu=
nity resident Heshy Tischler tells protesters in the presence of an NYPD in=
spector: =E2=80=9CYou are my soldiers. We are at war.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=3D"https://t.co/9sneRVxrf3" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:n=
one;text-underline-position:under">pic.twitter.com/9sneRVxrf3

=E2=80=
=94 Jacob Kornbluh (-at-jacobkornbluh)=C2=A0obkornbluh/status/1313732730979602432?ref_src=3Dtwsrc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">October =
7, 2020

t:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">Residents in Borough P=
ark have largely=C2=A0luster-borough-park-mask-coronavirus-covid-orthoodox" rel=3D"noopener" targ=
et=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underl=
ine-position:under">flouted public health rules on masks and gatherings
=
, even as the positivity rate in the area has surpassed 8 percent, the high=
est in the five boroughs.

:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">"Nobody here has t=
he virus," said a woman walking in Borough Park with her children on T=
uesday, adding that lockdowns were politically motivated by Democrats. &quo=
t;The president got the virus, he recovered. There are medicines now."=

rgin-left:0px;padding:0px">The overnight protest was organized by Heshy Tis=
chler, an anti-mask activist and radio host who last month=C2=A0https://gothamist.com/news/orthodox-anti-maskers-crash-nyc-covid-outreach-s=
cream-racial-epithets" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">interrupted=
a public health briefing
. He told the crowd on Tuesday that such demon=
strations would take place nightly until the ban on gatherings was lifted. =
"You are my soldiers," he said. "We are at war." As he =
spoke, other demonstrators could be heard chanting "Donald Trump."=
;

argin-left:0px;padding:0px">Shulim Leifer, a Hasidic man and former Borough=
Park resident, said the community was plagued by right-wing misinformation=
about the virus.

gin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">"What we witnessed is a co=
mmunity that is so lacking in responsible leadership that thugs and crimina=
ls like Heshy Tischler carry the day," Leifer told Gothamist on Wednes=
day morning. "This isn't who we're supposed to be."

style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-l=
eft:0px;padding:0px">Additional reportin=
g by Gwynne Hogan.


=
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:09 PM Ruben =
Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> =
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ner.com


New York Times Flunks Again in Coverage of Jews and Coronavirus

by Ira Stoll

5-6 minutes



A taxi passes by in front of The New York Times head office, Feb. 7,

2013. Photo: Reuters / Carlo Allegri / File.



Double standards. Factual errors. Disproportionate coverage and lack of

context. Conflicting information.



The problems that consistently afflict New York Times coverage of Jews

and Judaism, particularly Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism, are

flaring again amid the newspaper=E2=80=99s coverage of New York=E2=80=99s l=
atest

coronavirus outbreak.



A New York Times column this week by Ginia Bellafante faulted the

=E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community for being ill-informed. =E2=80=9CThe ci=
ty needs to do a

better job at getting information to an insular community that already

believes it has herd immunity,=E2=80=9D a subheadline over the column said.=




The column begins:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CDO NOT test your child for Covid.=E2=80=9D



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So began a text that recently circulated on the messaging pla=
tform

WhatsApp, among yeshiva parents in Brooklyn=E2=80=99s Orthodox Jewish commu=
nity.



A few paragraphs later, the Times column says, =E2=80=9Cmany large Hasidic<=
br>
families live in small, cramped apartments, typically without internet

access and often with just a landline.=E2=80=9D



The end of the column includes the paragraph, =E2=80=9CIn a community that<=
br>
prizes seclusion and remains averse to technology, information has a

tendency to spread very slowly.=E2=80=9D



So which is it =E2=80=94 landline only and technology averse? Or texting on=


WhatsApp? The Times columnist can=E2=80=99t seem to make up her mind about =
which

broad-brush stereotype to deploy in describing Orthodox Jews.



The same column reports:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Governor Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard A. Zucker,=
have

also been talking to religious leaders =E2=80=A6One crucial message that ha=
s yet

to be received, Dr. Zucker said, is that herd immunity is a myth in

these communities. Many in this part of Brooklyn believe that because

the Orthodox were hit so hard by the virus this spring, they must have

already been sick, and that the crisis has passed. This, according to

public health officials, is simply not true.



Well, where could this =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community have possibly go=
tten this

=E2=80=9Cmyth=E2=80=9D of herd immunity from?



Quite possibly from The New York Times itself, which in a July 10 news

article reported:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 According to antibody test results from CityMD that were shar=
ed with

The New York Times, some neighborhoods were so exposed to the virus

during the peak of the epidemic in March and April that they might have

some protection during a second wave.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CSome communities might have herd immunity,=E2=80=9D =
said Dr. Daniel Frogel,

a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role>
in the city=E2=80=99s testing program=E2=80=A6 While stopping short of pred=
icting that

those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of

the virus =E2=80=94 a phenomenon known as herd immunity =E2=80=94 severalr>
epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence

across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming>
that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future

infection.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CIn the future, the infection rate should really be l=
ower in

minority communities,=E2=80=9D said Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and t=
he

dean of the School of Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in

Brooklyn.



A Times news article headlined =E2=80=9CBacklash Grows in Orthodox Jewish A=
reas

Over Virus Crackdown by Cuomo=E2=80=9D carries a correction: =E2=80=9CAn ea=
rlier version

of this article misstated the title of Simcha Felder. He is a state

senator, not a state assemblyman.=E2=80=9D



The Times news article describes the protesters against Cuomo and de

Blasio as a =E2=80=9Cangry=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9Cmob,=E2=80=9D terms the =
Times has largely avoided

using to refer to Black Lives Matter protesters, whom the newspaper has

repeatedly described as =E2=80=9Cmostly peaceful.=E2=80=9D



Three paragraphs of the Times article report =E2=80=9Cthe anger was not lim=
ited

to the Orthodox Jewish community. The Roman Catholic Diocese of

Brooklyn, which has 1.5 million followers and 210 churches in Brooklyn

and Queens, said it was taken by surprise by the governor=E2=80=99s

announcement. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn condemned the new

rules as =E2=80=98outrageous=E2=80=99 in a statement on Tuesday night.=E2=
=80=9D



=E2=80=9CThe religious freedom of our parishioners is being unjustly attack=
ed,=E2=80=9D

DiMarzio is quoted as saying.



One wonders why the Catholics are three paragraphs in the middle of a

long story and headline about the Jews, rather than the Jews being three>
paragraphs in the middle of a long story and headline about the

Catholics. Maybe the idea of Catholics as spreaders of disease just

doesn=E2=80=99t resonant as much for New York Times editors?=C2=A0 As a lib=
el against

Jews, though, it has a long, sordid history at the Times, of which this

is just the latest sad chapter.



Ira Stoll was managing editor of The Forward and North American editor

of The Jerusalem Post. His media critique, a regular Algemeiner feature,>
can be found here.



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The issue here is multi-dimensional and this Boro Park Mob mentality is
what we are dealing with now. It's never ok to beat down
other jews who disagree with you or ANYONE for that matter. Don't give
credibility to the Orthodox or Ultra Orthodox communities
just because you agree that mask wearing is not working or infringes on
your non-existant religious rights. Plenty of jewish communities outside
of Brooklyn, Queens, and Lakewood are celebrating Sukkos but responsibly so
WEAR THE DAMN MASK. Daven in open air courtyards or spaces but keep
socially distant.

I don't want to become ill or die for anyone and I don't want to be that
person like Trump who becomes a super-spreader.




Orthodox Borough Park Residents Burn Masks, Beat Dissenters Over COVID
Lockdown
BY JAKE OFFENHARTZ
OCT. 7, 2020 9:35 A.M.
=E2=80=A2 390 COMMENTS
-dissenters-over-covid-lockdown?mc_cid=3D72d946df97&mc_eid=3D97197781db#com=
ments>
[image: An Orthodox man tossing a mask into a street fire in Borough Park
earlier Wednesday morning]
An Orthodox man tossing a mask into a street fire in Borough Park earlier
Wednesday morning PROVIDED TO GOTHAMIST

Hundreds of members of Brooklyn's Orthodox community stormed the streets
and synagogues of Borough Park on Tuesday night to protest new coronavirus
restrictions
friday>
imposed
by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Pledging "war" on officials and public health guidance, demonstrators clad
in black religious garb set fires along 13th Avenue and tossed masks into
the flames. They chased away NYC Sheriff's Deputies while shouting "Jewish
Lives Matter," video shows, and attacked a photojournalist
yc-video-shows/>
attempting
to capture the scene.

Another Orthodox man, who'd opposed the anti-mask crowd, was deemed a
"snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters beat him
with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "severely"
injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of Wednesday
morning.

This is a Hasidic counter-protestor who called out people in his community
today for protesting wearing masks.

He was beaten with rocks and is now in critical condition.

The group was led and instigated by -at-JustEnoughHeshy
(who called the=
m
his "soldiers") and -at-KalmanYeger
.
pic.twitter.com/3Men26htez
=E2=80=94 Elad Nehorai (-at-PopChassid) October 7, 2020
5Etfw>

Boro Park uprising against -at-andrewcuomo
-at-nycmayor
has begun. People
starting fires in the street. So not normal. pic.twitter.com/AB5BpfeyvF

=E2=80=94 NYCPHOTOG (-at-nycphotog) October 7, 2020
Etfw>

There is a mask burning going on in Boro Park, Brooklyn.
pic.twitter.com/HKebbFp3pr
=E2=80=94 Yaakov Pollak (-at-Yanky_Pollak) October 7, 2020
c%5Etfw>

Here is the horrific moment a reporter got assaulted by a crowd in Borough
Park tonight pic.twitter.com/r0kpnJm3uc
=E2=80=94 Martin Samoylov (-at-martin_samoylov) October 7, 2020
wsrc%5Etfw>

Police said there were no arrests or summonses issued to the demonstrators.

The violent scene played out hours after Cuomo announced a tiered system of
lockdowns
friday>
in
neighborhoods with spiking infection rates. Across swaths of Central
Brooklyn and Queens, schools and non-essential businesses will be forced to
close, and houses of worship must limit capacity to ten people at a time.

Officials in Borough Park vowed to defy the restrictions on religious
observance.

"I don't care who in government thinks they can stop us," City Councilman
Kalman Yeger, who represents the neighborhood, told protesters on Tuesday.
"They're wrong, let them try."

Councilman -at-KalmanYeger
joins the protest o=
n
#13thAve tfw>
pic.twitter.com/9G2RzkL9oG
=E2=80=94 Boro Park News (-at-BoroPark24) October 7, 2020
5Etfw>

Community resident Heshy Tischler tells protesters in the presence of an
NYPD inspector: =E2=80=9CYou are my soldiers. We are at war.=E2=80=9D
pic.twitter.com/9sneRVxrf3
=E2=80=94 Jacob Kornbluh (-at-jacobkornbluh) October 7, 2020
rc%5Etfw>

Residents in Borough Park have largely flouted public health rules on masks
and gatherings
irus-covid-orthoodox>,
even as the positivity rate in the area has surpassed 8 percent, the
highest in the five boroughs.

"Nobody here has the virus," said a woman walking in Borough Park with her
children on Tuesday, adding that lockdowns were politically motivated by
Democrats. "The president got the virus, he recovered. There are medicines
now."

The overnight protest was organized by Heshy Tischler, an anti-mask
activist and radio host who last month interrupted a public health briefing
scream-racial-epithets>.
He told the crowd on Tuesday that such demonstrations would take place
nightly until the ban on gatherings was lifted. "You are my soldiers," he
said. "We are at war." As he spoke, other demonstrators could be heard
chanting "Donald Trump."

Shulim Leifer, a Hasidic man and former Borough Park resident, said the
community was plagued by right-wing misinformation about the virus.

"What we witnessed is a community that is so lacking in responsible
leadership that thugs and criminals like Heshy Tischler carry the day,"
Leifer told Gothamist on Wednesday morning. "This isn't who we're supposed
to be."

*Additional reporting by Gwynne Hogan.*

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:09 PM Ruben Safir wrote:

> algemeiner.com
> New York Times Flunks Again in Coverage of Jews and Coronavirus
> by Ira Stoll
> 5-6 minutes
>
> A taxi passes by in front of The New York Times head office, Feb. 7,
> 2013. Photo: Reuters / Carlo Allegri / File.
>
> Double standards. Factual errors. Disproportionate coverage and lack of
> context. Conflicting information.
>
> The problems that consistently afflict New York Times coverage of Jews
> and Judaism, particularly Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism, are
> flaring again amid the newspaper=E2=80=99s coverage of New York=E2=80=99s=
latest
> coronavirus outbreak.
>
> A New York Times column this week by Ginia Bellafante faulted the
> =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community for being ill-informed. =E2=80=9CThe =
city needs to do a
> better job at getting information to an insular community that already
> believes it has herd immunity,=E2=80=9D a subheadline over the column sai=
d.
>
> The column begins:
>
> =E2=80=9CDO NOT test your child for Covid.=E2=80=9D
>
> So began a text that recently circulated on the messaging platform
> WhatsApp, among yeshiva parents in Brooklyn=E2=80=99s Orthodox Jewish com=
munity.
>
> A few paragraphs later, the Times column says, =E2=80=9Cmany large Hasidi=
c
> families live in small, cramped apartments, typically without internet
> access and often with just a landline.=E2=80=9D
>
> The end of the column includes the paragraph, =E2=80=9CIn a community tha=
t
> prizes seclusion and remains averse to technology, information has a
> tendency to spread very slowly.=E2=80=9D
>
> So which is it =E2=80=94 landline only and technology averse? Or texting =
on
> WhatsApp? The Times columnist can=E2=80=99t seem to make up her mind abou=
t which
> broad-brush stereotype to deploy in describing Orthodox Jews.
>
> The same column reports:
>
> Governor Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard A. Zucker, have
> also been talking to religious leaders =E2=80=A6One crucial message that =
has yet
> to be received, Dr. Zucker said, is that herd immunity is a myth in
> these communities. Many in this part of Brooklyn believe that because
> the Orthodox were hit so hard by the virus this spring, they must have
> already been sick, and that the crisis has passed. This, according to
> public health officials, is simply not true.
>
> Well, where could this =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community have possibly =
gotten this
> =E2=80=9Cmyth=E2=80=9D of herd immunity from?
>
> Quite possibly from The New York Times itself, which in a July 10 news
> article reported:
>
> According to antibody test results from CityMD that were shared with
> The New York Times, some neighborhoods were so exposed to the virus
> during the peak of the epidemic in March and April that they might have
> some protection during a second wave.
>
> =E2=80=9CSome communities might have herd immunity,=E2=80=9D said Dr.=
Daniel Frogel,
> a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role
> in the city=E2=80=99s testing program=E2=80=A6 While stopping short of pr=
edicting that
> those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of
> the virus =E2=80=94 a phenomenon known as herd immunity =E2=80=94 several
> epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence
> across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming
> that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future
> infection.
>
> =E2=80=9CIn the future, the infection rate should really be lower in
> minority communities,=E2=80=9D said Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and=
the
> dean of the School of Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in
> Brooklyn.
>
> A Times news article headlined =E2=80=9CBacklash Grows in Orthodox Jewish=
Areas
> Over Virus Crackdown by Cuomo=E2=80=9D carries a correction: =E2=80=9CAn =
earlier version
> of this article misstated the title of Simcha Felder. He is a state
> senator, not a state assemblyman.=E2=80=9D
>
> The Times news article describes the protesters against Cuomo and de
> Blasio as a =E2=80=9Cangry=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9Cmob,=E2=80=9D terms th=
e Times has largely avoided
> using to refer to Black Lives Matter protesters, whom the newspaper has
> repeatedly described as =E2=80=9Cmostly peaceful.=E2=80=9D
>
> Three paragraphs of the Times article report =E2=80=9Cthe anger was not l=
imited
> to the Orthodox Jewish community. The Roman Catholic Diocese of
> Brooklyn, which has 1.5 million followers and 210 churches in Brooklyn
> and Queens, said it was taken by surprise by the governor=E2=80=99s
> announcement. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn condemned the new
> rules as =E2=80=98outrageous=E2=80=99 in a statement on Tuesday night.=E2=
=80=9D
>
> =E2=80=9CThe religious freedom of our parishioners is being unjustly atta=
cked,=E2=80=9D
> DiMarzio is quoted as saying.
>
> One wonders why the Catholics are three paragraphs in the middle of a
> long story and headline about the Jews, rather than the Jews being three
> paragraphs in the middle of a long story and headline about the
> Catholics. Maybe the idea of Catholics as spreaders of disease just
> doesn=E2=80=99t resonant as much for New York Times editors? As a libel =
against
> Jews, though, it has a long, sordid history at the Times, of which this
> is just the latest sad chapter.
>
> Ira Stoll was managing editor of The Forward and North American editor
> of The Jerusalem Post. His media critique, a regular Algemeiner feature,
> can be found here.
>
> --
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> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
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Evan M. Inker

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rators clad in black religious garb set fires along 13th Avenue and tossed =
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nalist
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quot;snitch" and reportedly hospitalized after a mob of protesters bea=
t him with rocks. His brother, Mordy Getz, told Gothamist that he was "=
;severely" injured and knocked unconscious, but was doing better as of=
Wednesday morning.

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rising against=C2=A0src%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline=
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ing fires in the street. So not normal.=C2=A0eyvF" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-posi=
tion:under">pic.twitter.com/AB5BpfeyvF

=E2=80=94 NYCPHOTOG (-at-nycphot=
og)=C2=A06?ref_src=3Dtwsrc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;=
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>
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-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">Police said there=
were no arrests or summonses issued to the demonstrators.

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ding:0px">The violent scene played out hours after Cuomo announced a=C2=A0<=
a href=3D"https://gothamist.com/news/cuomo-orders-zoned-shutdowns-ny-covid-=
hotspots-friday" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizing:bor=
der-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">tiered system of =
lockdowns=C2=A0in neighborhoods with spiking infection rates. Across sw=
aths of Central Brooklyn and Queens, schools and non-essential businesses w=
ill be forced to close, and houses of worship must limit capacity to ten pe=
ople at a time.

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o defy the restrictions on religious observance.

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"I don't care who in government thinks they can stop us," Cit=
y Councilman Kalman Yeger, who represents the neighborhood, told protesters=
on Tuesday. "They're wrong, let them try."

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er">#13thAve
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.com/9G2RzkL9oG

=E2=80=94 Boro Park News (-at-BoroPark24)=C2=A0=3D"https://twitter.com/BoroPark24/status/1313662219918413824?ref_src=3Dtws=
rc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-=
position:under">October 7, 2020
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on:0% 100%;background-repeat:repeat-y;background-size:1px 16px">

en" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;word-break:break-word">Commu=
nity resident Heshy Tischler tells protesters in the presence of an NYPD in=
spector: =E2=80=9CYou are my soldiers. We are at war.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=3D"https://t.co/9sneRVxrf3" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:n=
one;text-underline-position:under">pic.twitter.com/9sneRVxrf3

=E2=80=
=94 Jacob Kornbluh (-at-jacobkornbluh)=C2=A0obkornbluh/status/1313732730979602432?ref_src=3Dtwsrc%5Etfw" style=3D"box-s=
izing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">October =
7, 2020

t:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">Residents in Borough P=
ark have largely=C2=A0luster-borough-park-mask-coronavirus-covid-orthoodox" rel=3D"noopener" targ=
et=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underl=
ine-position:under">flouted public health rules on masks and gatherings
=
, even as the positivity rate in the area has surpassed 8 percent, the high=
est in the five boroughs.

:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">"Nobody here has t=
he virus," said a woman walking in Borough Park with her children on T=
uesday, adding that lockdowns were politically motivated by Democrats. &quo=
t;The president got the virus, he recovered. There are medicines now."=

rgin-left:0px;padding:0px">The overnight protest was organized by Heshy Tis=
chler, an anti-mask activist and radio host who last month=C2=A0https://gothamist.com/news/orthodox-anti-maskers-crash-nyc-covid-outreach-s=
cream-racial-epithets" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"box-sizi=
ng:border-box;border-bottom:none;text-underline-position:under">interrupted=
a public health briefing
. He told the crowd on Tuesday that such demon=
strations would take place nightly until the ban on gatherings was lifted. =
"You are my soldiers," he said. "We are at war." As he =
spoke, other demonstrators could be heard chanting "Donald Trump."=
;

argin-left:0px;padding:0px">Shulim Leifer, a Hasidic man and former Borough=
Park resident, said the community was plagued by right-wing misinformation=
about the virus.

gin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding:0px">"What we witnessed is a co=
mmunity that is so lacking in responsible leadership that thugs and crimina=
ls like Heshy Tischler carry the day," Leifer told Gothamist on Wednes=
day morning. "This isn't who we're supposed to be."

style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-l=
eft:0px;padding:0px">Additional reportin=
g by Gwynne Hogan.


=
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 8:09 PM Ruben =
Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> =
wrote:
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0href=3D"http://algemeiner.com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">algemei=
ner.com


New York Times Flunks Again in Coverage of Jews and Coronavirus

by Ira Stoll

5-6 minutes



A taxi passes by in front of The New York Times head office, Feb. 7,

2013. Photo: Reuters / Carlo Allegri / File.



Double standards. Factual errors. Disproportionate coverage and lack of

context. Conflicting information.



The problems that consistently afflict New York Times coverage of Jews

and Judaism, particularly Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Judaism, are

flaring again amid the newspaper=E2=80=99s coverage of New York=E2=80=99s l=
atest

coronavirus outbreak.



A New York Times column this week by Ginia Bellafante faulted the

=E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community for being ill-informed. =E2=80=9CThe ci=
ty needs to do a

better job at getting information to an insular community that already

believes it has herd immunity,=E2=80=9D a subheadline over the column said.=




The column begins:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CDO NOT test your child for Covid.=E2=80=9D



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So began a text that recently circulated on the messaging pla=
tform

WhatsApp, among yeshiva parents in Brooklyn=E2=80=99s Orthodox Jewish commu=
nity.



A few paragraphs later, the Times column says, =E2=80=9Cmany large Hasidic<=
br>
families live in small, cramped apartments, typically without internet

access and often with just a landline.=E2=80=9D



The end of the column includes the paragraph, =E2=80=9CIn a community that<=
br>
prizes seclusion and remains averse to technology, information has a

tendency to spread very slowly.=E2=80=9D



So which is it =E2=80=94 landline only and technology averse? Or texting on=


WhatsApp? The Times columnist can=E2=80=99t seem to make up her mind about =
which

broad-brush stereotype to deploy in describing Orthodox Jews.



The same column reports:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Governor Cuomo and his health commissioner, Howard A. Zucker,=
have

also been talking to religious leaders =E2=80=A6One crucial message that ha=
s yet

to be received, Dr. Zucker said, is that herd immunity is a myth in

these communities. Many in this part of Brooklyn believe that because

the Orthodox were hit so hard by the virus this spring, they must have

already been sick, and that the crisis has passed. This, according to

public health officials, is simply not true.



Well, where could this =E2=80=9Cinsular=E2=80=9D community have possibly go=
tten this

=E2=80=9Cmyth=E2=80=9D of herd immunity from?



Quite possibly from The New York Times itself, which in a July 10 news

article reported:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 According to antibody test results from CityMD that were shar=
ed with

The New York Times, some neighborhoods were so exposed to the virus

during the peak of the epidemic in March and April that they might have

some protection during a second wave.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CSome communities might have herd immunity,=E2=80=9D =
said Dr. Daniel Frogel,

a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role>
in the city=E2=80=99s testing program=E2=80=A6 While stopping short of pred=
icting that

those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of

the virus =E2=80=94 a phenomenon known as herd immunity =E2=80=94 severalr>
epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence

across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming>
that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future

infection.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CIn the future, the infection rate should really be l=
ower in

minority communities,=E2=80=9D said Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and t=
he

dean of the School of Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in

Brooklyn.



A Times news article headlined =E2=80=9CBacklash Grows in Orthodox Jewish A=
reas

Over Virus Crackdown by Cuomo=E2=80=9D carries a correction: =E2=80=9CAn ea=
rlier version

of this article misstated the title of Simcha Felder. He is a state

senator, not a state assemblyman.=E2=80=9D



The Times news article describes the protesters against Cuomo and de

Blasio as a =E2=80=9Cangry=E2=80=9D and a =E2=80=9Cmob,=E2=80=9D terms the =
Times has largely avoided

using to refer to Black Lives Matter protesters, whom the newspaper has

repeatedly described as =E2=80=9Cmostly peaceful.=E2=80=9D



Three paragraphs of the Times article report =E2=80=9Cthe anger was not lim=
ited

to the Orthodox Jewish community. The Roman Catholic Diocese of

Brooklyn, which has 1.5 million followers and 210 churches in Brooklyn

and Queens, said it was taken by surprise by the governor=E2=80=99s

announcement. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn condemned the new

rules as =E2=80=98outrageous=E2=80=99 in a statement on Tuesday night.=E2=
=80=9D



=E2=80=9CThe religious freedom of our parishioners is being unjustly attack=
ed,=E2=80=9D

DiMarzio is quoted as saying.



One wonders why the Catholics are three paragraphs in the middle of a

long story and headline about the Jews, rather than the Jews being three>
paragraphs in the middle of a long story and headline about the

Catholics. Maybe the idea of Catholics as spreaders of disease just

doesn=E2=80=99t resonant as much for New York Times editors?=C2=A0 As a lib=
el against

Jews, though, it has a long, sordid history at the Times, of which this

is just the latest sad chapter.



Ira Stoll was managing editor of The Forward and North American editor

of The Jerusalem Post. His media critique, a regular Algemeiner feature,>
can be found here.



--

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town

that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological

proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

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  1. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  2. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] SNAFU with PBMs
  3. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Chinese Method of invading Europe and
  4. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Young and Free and In Israel over the Pandemic
  5. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Italy and the second wave - analysis and
  6. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cutting cuomo off at the knees
  7. 2020-10-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=7E_GRAND_REOPENING_=7E_INDOO?=
  8. 2020-10-01 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Software Supporter Issue 150, October 2020
  9. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  10. 2020-10-01 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  11. 2020-10-01 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  12. 2020-10-01 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  13. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  14. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  15. 2020-10-02 Ofnuts <ofnuts-at-gmx.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  16. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dr Death
  17. 2020-10-02 Ofnuts <ofnuts-at-gmx.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  18. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  19. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  20. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] bump map filter
  21. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  22. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  23. 2020-10-02 Tom via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  24. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  25. 2020-10-01 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  26. 2020-10-01 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  27. 2020-10-01 Franck STAUFFER via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  28. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  29. 2020-10-02 Tom Williams via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  30. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  31. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] bump map filter
  32. 2020-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  33. 2020-10-02 Tom Williams via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  34. 2020-10-02 Tom Williams via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  35. 2020-10-03 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  36. 2020-10-03 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  37. 2020-10-03 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  38. 2020-10-03 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  39. 2020-10-02 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  40. 2020-10-03 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  41. 2020-10-03 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  42. 2020-10-03 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  43. 2020-10-03 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  44. 2020-10-02 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  45. 2020-10-03 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  46. 2020-10-04 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  47. 2020-10-04 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  48. 2020-10-04 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  49. 2020-10-04 Gene Heskett <gheskett-at-shentel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  50. 2020-10-04 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  51. 2020-10-04 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  52. 2020-10-04 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  53. 2020-10-03 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  54. 2020-10-04 Tom Williams <tomdkat-at-comcast.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GIMP issue with image rotation and EXIF
  55. 2020-10-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  56. 2020-10-04 From: "Scott A. Wozny" <sawozny-at-hotmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  57. 2020-10-04 James Moe <jimoe-at-sohnen-moe.com.INVALID> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Alternatives to SSI (server
  58. 2020-10-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  59. 2020-10-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  60. 2020-10-03 Tom Browder <tom.browder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  61. 2020-10-04 Rob De Langhe <rob.de.langhe-at-twistfare.be> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  62. 2020-10-03 Tom Browder <tom.browder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Alternatives to SSI (server side
  63. 2020-10-04 Tom Browder <tom.browder-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Re: Alternatives to SSI (server
  64. 2020-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] consensus on herd immunity - there is none..
  65. 2020-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mutation into a superbug and Faucci
  66. 2020-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] just a few bucks
  67. 2020-10-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Dinosaurs in the modern view..
  68. 2020-10-06 From: "Rick Strong" <rnstrong-at-primus.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  69. 2020-10-05 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
  70. 2020-10-05 From: "Matt Lavallee, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF 35 years: Limited edition T-shirt and poster
  71. 2020-10-05 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #480 - Hacktoberfest 2020
  72. 2020-10-06 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Join the FSF for an online birthday celebration
  73. 2020-10-05 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Interview with Audrey Tang about Taiwan's
  74. 2020-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Efficacy and Safety of Hydroxychloroquine vs
  75. 2020-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  76. 2020-10-08 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  77. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  78. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  79. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  80. 2020-10-08 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NY Times slant
  81. 2020-10-04 From: "Greg Farough, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF at 35 -- join us in celebrating this
  82. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] gerrymandering
  83. 2020-10-08 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gerrymandering
  84. 2020-10-08 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] [ANNOUNCE] GIMP 2.10.22
  85. 2020-10-03 Ofnuts <ofnuts-at-gmx.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  86. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] gerrymandering
  87. 2020-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] gerrymandering
  88. 2020-10-09 shulie <shulie_release-at-optimum.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gerrymandering
  89. 2020-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: NY Times slant
  90. 2020-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] what we learn about the nature of science
  91. 2020-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Server brought down with
  92. 2020-10-11 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Server brought down with update
  93. 2020-10-11 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Server brought down with update
  94. 2020-10-12 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #481 - Remote or Distributed work
  95. 2020-10-12 Max Reitz <mreitz-at-redhat.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Which qemu change corresponds to RedHat bug
  96. 2020-10-12 Max Reitz <mreitz-at-redhat.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Which qemu change corresponds to RedHat bug
  97. 2020-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fauci the kook
  98. 2020-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mediterainian Gas and Israel and Lebonon
  99. 2020-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hospitalizations increase in New York amid second
  100. 2020-10-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Double Jepardy means the lock down stratergy is
  101. 2020-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] gene Editing
  102. 2020-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] baseball fans
  103. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] National Geopgraphic on Science,
  104. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fossils and Private Property
  105. 2020-10-14 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] National Geopgraphic on Science,
  106. 2020-10-14 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] National Geopgraphic on Science,
  107. 2020-10-14 From: =?utf-8?Q?Vickie=20for=20City=20Council?= <vickie4nyc-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?My_Campaign_for_City_Council_Kickoff?=
  108. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] King Cuomo
  109. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The problem if you are Jewish
  110. 2020-10-14 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Flat Trends
  111. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] License Insanity continues to destory society
  112. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Experts continue their war on drivers .... even
  113. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The MTA just never ever has enough money
  114. 2020-10-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Flat Trends
  115. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] biden and the ukraine
  116. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fauci cancels Thanksgiving - Christmas is next
  117. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fauci cancels Thanksgiving - Christmas is next
  118. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mathmatics of Social Distancing and results
  119. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] one million more unemployeed this week?
  120. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Exodus from NYC in full swing
  121. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Unemployement Insurance Fraud through the roof..
  122. 2020-10-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID is NEVER going away ... now what?
  123. 2020-10-16 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Thank you for being a part of our 35th birthday
  124. 2020-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Social Isolation Efficacy
  125. 2020-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What is at stake in this coming election
  126. 2020-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] voting for a public enemy
  127. 2020-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] voting for a public enemy
  128. 2020-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] voting for a public enemy
  129. 2020-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why Covid-19 became so bad - the healthcare
  130. 2020-10-18 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Why Covid-19 became so bad - the
  131. 2020-10-18 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Why Covid-19 became so bad - the
  132. 2020-10-19 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #482 - Perl Town Hall
  133. 2020-10-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Google sued by government over anti-trust
  134. 2020-10-20 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Jami needs feedback from hacker users
  135. 2020-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Jami needs feedback from hacker users
  136. 2020-10-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Jami needs feedback from hacker users
  137. 2020-10-21 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] SOLVED smtpd segfault error 4
  138. 2020-10-21 Christos Nouskas via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] smtpd segfault error 4 in
  139. 2020-10-20 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit service scripts for ly
  140. 2020-10-20 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit service scripts for ly
  141. 2020-10-21 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] smtpd segfault error 4 in
  142. 2020-10-20 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit service scripts for ly
  143. 2020-10-20 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit service scripts for ly
  144. 2020-10-19 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] runit service scripts for ly
  145. 2020-10-20 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] smtpd segfault error 4 in
  146. 2020-10-12 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Server brought down with
  147. 2020-10-11 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Server brought down with update
  148. 2020-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Remembering Robin WIlliams - really worth a watch
  149. 2020-10-22 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] LibrePlanet 2021 will be an online event,
  150. 2020-10-25 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Read-only filesystem after
  151. 2020-10-24 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Read-only filesystem after
  152. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] European troubles with COVID-19
  153. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] China Trade War
  154. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] war on cars by protestors takes a deadly turn
  155. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Rather serious war is tackled by the White House.
  156. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] anti-chinese alliance
  157. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lockdown resistence by Epidimiologist being
  158. 2020-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] News Flash - you can not reopen without a rise in
  159. 2020-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Advanced Algorithms - Harvard
  160. 2020-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] CLEAR evidence of SYSTEMIC voter fraud in NYC.
  161. 2020-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fighting back
  162. 2020-10-26 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] zero byte files under /usr/lib
  163. 2020-10-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #483 - CI for every CPAN module
  164. 2020-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nutcases running the ny times
  165. 2020-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Continued LAK of security and tracking
  166. 2020-10-28 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Committee_begins_review_of_High_Prio?=
  167. 2020-10-28 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  168. 2020-10-28 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  169. 2020-10-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  170. 2020-10-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  171. 2020-10-28 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  172. 2020-10-28 epektasis via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  173. 2020-10-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd upgrade
  174. 2020-10-28 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  175. 2020-10-28 Franck STAUFFER via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Package dependencies
  176. 2020-10-28 Franck STAUFFER via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Package dependencies
  177. 2020-10-26 Christos Nouskas <nous-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] zero byte files under /usr/lib
  178. 2020-10-29 epektasis <rptnix-at-amerytel.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  179. 2020-10-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Islamic War on the West perks up again
  180. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The FBI is fighting back
  181. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trump Administration Proposes Eliminating H-1B
  182. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Democratic control of NYC
  183. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Testing Data - see for yourself the
  184. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] the consequences on education of COVID and on
  185. 2020-10-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  186. 2020-10-29 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  187. 2020-10-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  188. 2020-10-29 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  189. 2020-10-29 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  190. 2020-10-29 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] killing automount with gvfs
  191. 2020-10-29 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  192. 2020-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] German Vaccinations to start this year
  193. 2020-10-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  194. 2020-10-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  195. 2020-10-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [atix-general][s6] dhcpcd
  196. 2020-10-27 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] nutcases running the ny times
  197. 2020-10-01 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cutting cuomo off at the knees
  198. 2020-10-31 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Color map is different than Color
  199. 2020-10-30 Jim Halloran via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Gimp download & Install on Ubuntu

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