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| DATE | 2020-10-04 |
| FROM | Gene Heskett
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
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On Sunday 04 October 2020 00:18:45 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list wrote:
> I'm using 2.10.20 and it works as I describe above. I have been using
> the Gimp since 2.8 and before, and it has always worked that way.
>
> What version are you using, and did you try what I described or did
> you just read it?
I tried it, but I also have to figure out the equivalents since 2.8 is
different. I could try posting a small screenshot if the server will
take it. But not tonight. Its been too long a day already.
Where you say the editor shows up on the right, mine shows up at the left
border. It has 4 icons in the bottom border, one says save, the next
says restore, a trashcan and something on the right I haven't yet
identifiedI have not identified. But so far, no one has told me where
the save button writes to so I could at least check to see if the button
even works since theres zero reaction from clicking on it. Same with the
restore button, no reaction and nothing is restored. It might as well be
welded to sans, black and 18px, and the 18px makes it worthless.
>
> How many text layers do you have?
Most pix just one string of text. Sometimes 2.
> Cliff
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 4:33 PM Gene Heskett
wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 October 2020 21:23:35 Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Hm, how many text layers do you have?
> > >
> > > If I create a text layer I can create it with the particular font
> > > and font size. When I create another text layer, I can set the
> > > font, etc in the new layer to something different. If I then
> > > decide that the font is wrong in the first text layer, and I
> > > select that text layer, it comes up with the font and font size
> > > that I selected in the first place ie, what it was when I left
> > > that layer. If I go back to the other text layer it shows the font
> > > and font size that it was when I left THAT layer.
> > >
> > > So
> > > 1) I create a text box/layer (call it One), set the font to
> > > something, and the font size to 16 pts. I type something eg One.
> > > [I create a text box by clicking on the text tool, and clicking on
> > > the canvas.] 2) I create a second text box/layer. (call it Two). I
> > > set the font to 64 pts. I type something eg Two. [I create a new
> > > text box by clicking somewhere outside the first text box.]
> > > 3) I decide that the font size in One is too small. I switch to
> > > that text layer [By clicking in the text box.]. *The font size now
> > > shows 16 pts*. I change the font size. I don't delete the text. I
> > > just change the font size (to say 32 pts).
> > > 4) I switch to layer Two. *The font size now shows 64 pts*.
> > > 5) If I switch between text layers the font size alternates
> > > between 16 and 64 pts.
> > >
> > > Each 'line of text' is in a separate text layer. Each text layer
> > > retains the font, font size and other attributes that it had when
> > > you last left it. Any new layer contains the attributes of the
> > > previous text layer that you created.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Cliff
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM Rick Strong
wrote:
> > > > My eyes are nearly 80 years old, I am going blind in one of them
> > > > and I can easily read 18 pt type.
> > > > Anyway, you need something larger. OK. Try double clicking on
> > > > the "A" tool and setting the type specs in the dialogue/tab that
> > > > comes up on the right. Screenshot attached. I assume you are
> > > > using the latest version.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gene Heskett
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 7:38 PM
> > > > To: Rick Strong
> > > > Cc: gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 02 October 2020 18:36:07 you wrote:
> > > > > Gene,
> > > > >
> > > > > By my reckoning, an 18 px letter is less than 1 pt high on an
> > > > > 300 dpi print—virtually invisible. Try setting the text size
> > > > > to 18 pts. (POINTS, not pixels) to be legible.
> > > >
> > > > I have done that, Rick, but 18 pts isn't near big enough for
> > > > older eyes either, so you backspace to get rid of the dust
> > > > specs, look up to the text box and its reset to 18px.
> > > > Frustrating is a very weak description. You spend 10 minutes
> > > > bounceing from one place in that tool, to another trying to get
> > > > it to keep what you selected long enough to type one line of
> > > > text. Repeat for every line of text you want to overlay on a
> > > > pix.
> > > >
> > > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > I don't need luck, I need instructions that work, please read my
> > > > whole message.
> >
> > And so far, for all the pontificating here, none of which seems to
> > apply to the 2.8 I am trying to use. That alone is more than ample
> > evidence of the control churn as far as I am concerned. I have
> > changed the font, color and size, then clicked save at the bottom of
> > my tool edit window until I've about wore out the mouse and the save
> > button. But the next time I launch GIMP, its still black, sans, and
> > 18 px. If you can make 2.8 text Just Work so setting one thing does
> > NOT restore the totally useless defaults for everything else, AND
> > the save and restore buttons actually do that, I need the exact
> > sequence of operations that ACTUALLY DO make it work in the 2.8
> > being published by debian.
> >
> > OR push debian to update it to your version of 2.10 unpatched by
> > debian, don't even allow branding patches.
> >
> > OR setup a repo we can download a WORKING copy of 2.10 or whatever
> > the current version of the day is, from your own servers in .deb
> > format.
> >
> > Take your pick, but please, get your users a WORKING copy of GIMP.
> >
> > 20 years ago I could ask how to do something and get instructions on
> > how to do it that worked. Now its 2020 and all I am getting is
> > claims that it Just Works, without even qualifying the answer with a
> > versiion number or a step by step that does work.
> >
> > > > > RS
> > > >
> > > > My whole point is that there is no way to set the defaults AND
> > > > setting anything else restores the default of 18 px, switches it
> > > > back to sans font, and the selected color back to black.
> > > > Changing ANY of those settings should change them at the very
> > > > least for the lifetime of the current session. ANY TIME YOU
> > > > CHANGE ONE THING, IT RESETS EVERYTHING ELSE BACK TO THE
> > > > DEFAULTS. INCLUDING CHANGING WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT IT BY LEFT
> > > > CLICKING THE SCREEN WHERE YOU WANT TO START TYPING. And if your
> > > > put it here click is too high, the box disappears under the
> > > > friggin ruler at the top of the screen so that you can't see if
> > > > its decided to restore all the defaults
> > > >
> > > > Since you have not addressed my main bitch at all, how about
> > > > telling us how to change the text defaults to something that IS
> > > > usable and by makeing those the defaults, 90% of the
> > > > frustrations would be addressed. Maybe _you_ have a sequence
> > > > that works, but no one has told the users. Put it in a format I
> > > > can print and tape to the wall for next time.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Gene Heskett
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 5:05 PM
> > > > > To: gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org
> > > > > Subject: [Gimp-user] text mode, need instruct sequence
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings all;
> > > > >
> > > > > I, like Ruben Safir, am A. tired of the lack of good docs, and
> > > > > B. the churn in how it works. I just had occasion to caption
> > > > > some pix as an aid to my wife who is not a computer whiz, in
> > > > > setting up a piano keyboard, and the air was quite blue around
> > > > > me by the time I got done because every time I tried to set
> > > > > one option in the text panel it reset everything else back to
> > > > > the defaults. And an 18 px black character isn't more than a
> > > > > visible dot on an 8x10 printout, so I click on the size and
> > > > > add a zero to make 180 px. Then I am going to put it in a
> > > > > black area of the printout, so I select the color white and
> > > > > hit enter and it resets the size to 18px and the font back to
> > > > > sans from sans serif. Thats bs at its finest. So is the text
> > > > > box when its under the top ruler and you can't see that its
> > > > > decided to reset everything back to the defaults. So please
> > > > > tell me the correct sequence of key or mouse strokes to set
> > > > > that up and if possible set it as the defaults so I don't have
> > > > > to get so frustrated just to add a line or 3 of text captions
> > > > > to a picture. You've made 4 hours of very frustrating work out
> > > > > of captioning 6 photo's that ought to be 3 minutes plus print
> > > > > time each. If this worked. But IMNSHO it sucks dead toads thru
> > > > > soda straws. So please make it _Just_Work_, write some docs
> > > > > that tell us how to use it, and then stop the churn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > --
> > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > Genes Web page
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> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
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