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| DATE | 2020-10-02 |
| FROM | Tom Williams via gimp-user-list
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
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On 10/2/20 5:57 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> You need to really download them and view them in the gimp and examine
> the exif because on the original images coming out of the camera, SOME
> applications, like new firefox, read the camera's orientation data
> and display accordingly. Some applications do not. The solution is
> to actually rotate the actual image.
>
> Actually, if I was going to modernize this, there would be 2 options,
> one to just rotate by chaning the exif data, and one to physically
> rotate the image.
Thanks for the additional information (this message and the other
message). I actually DID download both images and I opened them in
GIMP 2.10.20 on Ubuntu 20.04 Linux. I opened the original image in
Firefox and it was rotated by 90-degress counter-clockwise, so it
appeared like this:
https://imgur.com/a/S5RRJE8
Of course, my highlighting in red didn't appear. :) So, then I
opened the original photo in GIMP and I was asked if I wanted to rotate
the photo or not, as shown here:
https://imgur.com/a/eICgy7a
When I opened the rotated photo you posted the link to, the "After"
photo, GIMP prompted me to rotate the photo, as shown here:
https://imgur.com/kozuYXt
Are you getting the same prompts from GIMP, when you open the photos?
If so, which option do you choose?
Anyway, when I open the original photo in GIMP and choose "rotate", I
made NO other changes and simply exported the rotated image. Then, I
opened that image in Firefox and it appeared correct:
https://imgur.com/a/tsgEiGF
I haven't touched ANY EXIF settings at all and when exporting from GIMP,
I used the export defaults, for JPEG, which included EXIF, XMP, and IPTC
information being saved with the file. I think I understand your issue
with the image getting rotated unexpectedly, but I'm not necessarily
sure GIMP is at fault, at least not based on the steps I followed.
When you load the images, are you getting different results? Which
version of GIMP are you using and on which operating system?
Thanks!
Peace...
Tom
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 08:53:43PM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 05:30:48PM -0700, Tom via gimp-user-list wrote:
>>> On 10/2/20 5:10 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 12:23:18AM +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
>>>>> On 02/10/2020 23:33, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>>>>>> But AFAIK when Gimp edits an image, it removes the Exif Orientation
>>>>>>> flag, so the image should be displayed with the default orientation,
>>>>>> Whatever it is doing it is doing it 100% wrong 100% of the time and I
>>>>>> have to go into the file with VIM and remove the exif.
>>>>> No such problem for me, and again, there are free tools to remove EXIF
>>>>> if necessary, for instance with ExifTool:
>>>>>
>>>>> exiftool -all= {file}
>>>>>
>>>> Or it can just be done correctly in the primary image manipulation tool,
>>>> within the Gimp
>>>>
>>>>>> And somehow it is putting my name in there. Is that really necessary as
>>>>>> if I don't have enough things tracking me the universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it is coming from my Cannon Camera.
>>>>> Either your camera or you have entered a default comment. Create an
>>>>> image from scratch with Gimp and see if it contains your name...
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want, I can demonstrate this. Remove the EXIF and it orients
>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just fixed
>>>>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/bike.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by MANUALLY removeing the EXIF data from near top of the file.
>>>>>> It was correct in the GIMP and sideway in most of the rest of the
>>>>>> world..most importantly in Firefox et al
>>>>> You are not demonstrating anything, we need the before and after images.
>>>>>
>>>> I am aware of that. I can demostrate it easily enough
>>>>
>>>> Before =>
>>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.JPG
>>>>
>>>> After =>
>>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com/brooklyn/images/2020_09_fishing/IMG_4577.2.JPG
>>>>
>>>> the EXIF needs to be fixed..
>>> Thanks for posting the sample images. Please excuse me but I don't
>>> understand what the problem is. Is it the "After" image is _not_
>>> supposed to appear 90-degrees rotated? When I view the "After"
>>> image in Firefox (and Opera), it appears rotated 90-degrees.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>
>> The original is 90° tilted as I tilted the camera to get a verticle
>> image
>>
>>
>> It opens in the gimp sideways, as it should since I took the pic that
>> way.
>>
>> The "after pic" is rotated to the correct position.
>> ... or it should be.
>>
>> It is in the GIMP
>>
>> It exif is pointing it to the incorrect orientation now.
>> This is an example of tech trying to make things "simple"
>> and they are not simple. They are broken.
>>
>> When you rotation the image the exif that is saved needs to be
>> fixed, or eliminated.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Last, the exported image is what you see on the canvas, an dis the size
>>>>>>> of the canvas. Out-of-canvas parts are automatically cropped on export,
>>>>>>> there is no need to flatten the image first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is good. But there is even less need for the crop to be broken
>>>>>> because someone doesn't know how to use CTL Z.
>>>>> Crop is not broken... for most purposes (especially exporting the
>>>>> result) it works as before. And if you set the "Delete cropped pixels"
>>>>> option, just save your tool options to have it become a default for you.
>>>>>
>>>> This is doesn't exist in this gimp version, GIMP 2.10.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I finaly found it, under, of all place, dockable dialogs :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW - what it does, in addition to just being annoying, is it
>>>> takes screen space. It is broken. It was working perectly.
>>>> This is not trivial word play. It was working. It cropped
>>>> perfectly, and now it leaves the canvas too large, produces
>>>> a confusing layer, takes up unecessary screen space, and fails
>>>> to actually crop because someone didn't know how to use CTL Z
>>>>
>>>> This defines broken
>>>> http://www.nylxs.com/images/gimp_broken.jpg
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like the frame of your crop then just CTL Z and recrop
>>>>
>>>> Its not that hard. Even a graphic artist can do it.
>>>>
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>>> Peace...
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
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