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DATE | 2020-08-04 |
FROM | John Dunlap
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
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The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mod_per are as follows: 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to forced to use mpm_prefork because very few perl dependencies are thread safe. 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to move away from mod_perl.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng wrote:
> greetings, > > My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff. > perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc. > But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others. > It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right people > to do the webdev job with perl. > Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development > language, and choose the alternatives instead? > > Thanks & Regards > >
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The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mo= d_per are as follows: 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to= forced to use mpm_prefork because very few perl dependencies are thread sa= fe. 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
<= div>Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to mo= ve away from mod_perl.
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng = < me-at-yonghua.org> wrote: v> r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">greetings,
My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.
perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.
But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.
It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right peopl= e
to do the webdev job with perl.
Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development
language, and choose the alternatives instead?
Thanks & Regards
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The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mod_per are as follows: 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to forced to use mpm_prefork because very few perl dependencies are thread safe. 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to move away from mod_perl.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng wrote:
> greetings, > > My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff. > perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc. > But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others. > It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right people > to do the webdev job with perl. > Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development > language, and choose the alternatives instead? > > Thanks & Regards > >
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The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mo= d_per are as follows: 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to= forced to use mpm_prefork because very few perl dependencies are thread sa= fe. 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
<= div>Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to mo= ve away from mod_perl. ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng = < me-at-yonghua.org> wrote: v> r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">greetings,
My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.
perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.
But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.
It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right peopl= e
to do the webdev job with perl.
Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development
language, and choose the alternatives instead?
Thanks & Regards
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