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From: Joseph He
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:42:34 -0500
Message-ID:
To: James Smith
Cc: John Dunlap , Wesley Peng ,
mod_perl list
Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
language [EXT]
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My company uses Perl for web development. It handles real time payment
transactions without any problem. Good software is made by the people not
by the language.

Joseph

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:28 AM James Smith wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* John Dunlap
> *Sent:* 04 August 2020 15:30
> *To:* Wesley Peng
> *Cc:* mod_perl list
> *Subject:* Re: suggestions for perl as web development language [EXT]
>
>
>
> The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mod_per are as follows=
:
>
> > 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to forced to use mpm_prefork
> because very few perl dependencies are thread safe.
>
>
>
> Concurrency in extreme conditions - is actually better when it comes to
> mod_perl than a number of other solutions =E2=80=93 e.g. nginx/starman.
> Apache/mod_perl is much better at handling large numbers of simultaneous
> requests than the systems which fork a number of small processes at start
> up to handle requests. You either have to fork a large number of these or
> pray you don=E2=80=99t get large numbers of simultaneous requests. Some o=
f our
> systems have long return times for queries due to the terra/petabyte scal=
e
> of some of our backend servers.
>
>
>
> > 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
>
>
>
> True =E2=80=93 we haven=E2=80=99t really found an excuse for web-sockets =
although our
> front end =E2=80=9CApplication Delivery Controller=E2=80=9D (which sits i=
n the DMZ) can
> manage proxying requests that need sockets one way and others that don=E2=
=80=99t
> another way.
>
> There are still a lot of issues with web-sockets =E2=80=93 due to not all=
proxies
> handling these requests and so have to limit their use in a lot our cases=
[
> a lot of our users are on networks that sit behind proxy/cache servers ]
>
>
>
> > Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to
> move away from mod_perl.
>
>
>
> We are using more off the shelf packages for some of our applications =E2=
=80=93
> e.g. Wordpress as a CMS/Object manager, and yes we are also moving to mor=
e
> front-end centric applications. But many of our fundamental pieces of cod=
e
> are still working in Apache/mod_perl as it is a better, more-reliable
> language to work with.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng wrote:
>
> greetings,
>
> My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.
> perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.
> But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.
> It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right people
> to do the webdev job with perl.
> Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development
> language, and choose the alternatives instead?
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
>
>
> --
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>
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My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.

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But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.

It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right peopl=
e

to do the webdev job with perl.

Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development

language, and choose the alternatives instead?



Thanks & Regards








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My company uses Perl for web development. It handles real time payment
transactions without any problem. Good software is made by the people not
by the language.

Joseph

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:28 AM James Smith wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* John Dunlap
> *Sent:* 04 August 2020 15:30
> *To:* Wesley Peng
> *Cc:* mod_perl list
> *Subject:* Re: suggestions for perl as web development language [EXT]
>
>
>
> The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mod_per are as follows=
:
>
> > 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to forced to use mpm_prefork
> because very few perl dependencies are thread safe.
>
>
>
> Concurrency in extreme conditions - is actually better when it comes to
> mod_perl than a number of other solutions =E2=80=93 e.g. nginx/starman.
> Apache/mod_perl is much better at handling large numbers of simultaneous
> requests than the systems which fork a number of small processes at start
> up to handle requests. You either have to fork a large number of these or
> pray you don=E2=80=99t get large numbers of simultaneous requests. Some o=
f our
> systems have long return times for queries due to the terra/petabyte scal=
e
> of some of our backend servers.
>
>
>
> > 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
>
>
>
> True =E2=80=93 we haven=E2=80=99t really found an excuse for web-sockets =
although our
> front end =E2=80=9CApplication Delivery Controller=E2=80=9D (which sits i=
n the DMZ) can
> manage proxying requests that need sockets one way and others that don=E2=
=80=99t
> another way.
>
> There are still a lot of issues with web-sockets =E2=80=93 due to not all=
proxies
> handling these requests and so have to limit their use in a lot our cases=
[
> a lot of our users are on networks that sit behind proxy/cache servers ]
>
>
>
> > Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to
> move away from mod_perl.
>
>
>
> We are using more off the shelf packages for some of our applications =E2=
=80=93
> e.g. Wordpress as a CMS/Object manager, and yes we are also moving to mor=
e
> front-end centric applications. But many of our fundamental pieces of cod=
e
> are still working in Apache/mod_perl as it is a better, more-reliable
> language to work with.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng wrote:
>
> greetings,
>
> My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.
> perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.
> But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.
> It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right people
> to do the webdev job with perl.
> Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development
> language, and choose the alternatives instead?
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
>
>
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My company uses Perl for web development. It handles real =
time payment transactions without any problem. Good software is made by the=
people not by the language.

Joseph

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> 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.<=
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> Due to these reasons, my organization has start=
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=C2=A0


We are using more off the shelf packages for some of=
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greetings,



My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.

perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.

But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.

It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right peopl=
e

to do the webdev job with perl.

Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development

language, and choose the alternatives instead?



Thanks & Regards








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  23. 2020-08-04 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Help the FSF tech team empower software users
  24. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Help the FSF tech team empower software users
  25. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Epidemiology course work we should all probably
  26. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Anti-Semites hiding in the Free Software Movement
  27. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Photo Journal of SOHO from today - Note how empty
  28. 2020-08-05 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl 7 presentation
  29. 2020-08-05 Jacob Salomon <jakesalomon-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl 7 presentation
  30. 2020-08-05 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Photo Journal of SOHO from today - Note how
  31. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Photo Journal of SOHO from today - Note how
  32. 2020-08-05 From: "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2769-at-kylheku.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  33. 2020-08-06 From: "Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  34. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] empty
  35. 2020-08-06 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  36. 2020-08-06 From: "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2769-at-kylheku.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  37. 2020-08-06 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Sign Up for an Online Science Teacher's Course
  38. 2020-08-06 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <GilderCenter-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Gilder Center Project Update
  39. 2020-08-06 From: "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2769-at-kylheku.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  40. 2020-08-06 From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos-at-systemhalted.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  41. 2020-08-06 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Concerns about GNU Bison maintenance.
  42. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] google and elections
  43. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] innocense and due process
  44. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] hiding anti-semetic bigots in the free software
  45. 2020-08-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  46. 2020-08-05 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  47. 2020-08-05 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  48. 2020-08-05 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  49. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  50. 2020-08-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  51. 2020-08-05 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  52. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  53. 2020-08-05 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  54. 2020-08-05 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  55. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  56. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  57. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  58. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  59. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  60. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  61. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  62. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  63. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  64. 2020-08-04 From: <dcook-at-prosentient.com.au> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  65. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  66. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  67. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  68. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  69. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  70. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  71. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  72. 2020-08-04 jbiskofski <jbiskofski-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  73. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  74. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  75. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  76. 2020-08-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  77. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  78. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  79. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  80. 2020-08-04 Joseph He <joseph.he.2008-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  81. 2020-08-04 John Dunlap <John-at-lariat.co> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  82. 2020-08-04 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=c3=a9_Warnier_=28tomcat/perl=29?= <aw-at-ice-sa.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  83. 2020-08-04 paul trader <fliptop-at-igolinux.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  84. 2020-08-04 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  85. 2020-08-04 From: "Andreas Mock" <andreas.mock-at-web.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  86. 2020-08-04 Jan Kasprzak <kas-at-fi.muni.cz> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  87. 2020-08-04 Ashish Mukherjee <ashish.mukherjee-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  88. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  89. 2020-08-04 Wesley Peng <me-at-yonghua.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development language
  90. 2020-08-04 Mark Blackman <mark-at-blackmans.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  91. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  92. 2020-08-04 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  93. 2020-08-04 Rolf Schaufelberger <rs-at-plusw.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
  94. 2020-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  95. 2020-08-06 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  96. 2020-08-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Question about deployment of math computing
  97. 2020-08-07 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The University of Costumed Heroes: A video from
  98. 2020-08-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] check out this little video for fun
  99. 2020-08-10 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #472 - Perl Steering Committee
  100. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] This is dangerous and it sucks... stretch
  101. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mail in election troubles
  102. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Let us play - name their barber
  103. 2020-08-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] mail in election troubles
  104. 2020-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Eric Garner Fiasco continues as a point of
  105. 2020-08-11 NCPA eCommunications <ncpa.ecommunications-at-ncpanet.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] HHS reopens Provider Relief Fund portal for
  106. 2020-08-11 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  107. 2020-08-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] totally fucked at this point
  108. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  109. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo database.
  110. 2020-08-11 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] An Historic Photo for an Historic Time
  111. 2020-08-11 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] An Historic Photo for an Historic Time
  112. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Some Questions
  113. 2020-08-11 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  114. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Some Questions
  115. 2020-08-11 EURAFRI Networking - Karl <karl-at-eurafri.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Question to local hosted demo
  116. 2020-08-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] great listen,--
  117. 2020-08-14 Sergey Poznyakoff <gray-at-gnu.org.ua> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mailutils-3.10 released [stable]
  118. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hooray
  119. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Confusing
  120. 2020-08-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Race identification Software
  121. 2020-08-15 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Canon "Mega tank" printers with Linux
  122. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Canon "Mega tank" printers with Linux
  123. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] stop the bullshit now - child cases are not a
  124. 2020-08-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Brooklyn Politics getting heavy
  125. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free Snoden Now
  126. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Postal Service and the Election
  127. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Media fear Mongering and LIEING headlines from PBS
  128. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] time to end the china sham
  129. 2020-08-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fun and theatrics
  130. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] a complete breakdown
  131. 2020-08-16 Hebcal <noreply-at-hebcal.userecho.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Candle Lighting Times
  132. 2020-08-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #473 - What would you like to read
  133. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] age and COVID-19
  134. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] U.S. Coronavirus Forecasts Offer Somber Outlook,
  135. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Covid-19 NEVER going away... now what?
  136. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] South Korea's COVID-19 Miracle proves to also be
  137. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] crime pays - who thunk it
  138. 2020-08-17 From: "S." <sman356-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  139. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Guggenheim Museum Diversity, Equity, Access,
  140. 2020-08-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Guggenheim Museum Diversity, Equity, Access,
  141. 2020-08-17 facebook <facebook-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  142. 2020-08-18 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  143. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Tryton client connections
  144. 2020-08-18 Yusif Suleiman <yusifsuleiman-at-hotmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] Tryton client connections
  145. 2020-08-19 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] subway propaganda war | | "MASK ON,
  146. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  147. 2020-08-19 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  148. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  149. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  150. 2020-08-19 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  151. 2020-08-19 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  152. 2020-08-19 Rob Dyke <robdyke-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] LiveCD / demo database request
  153. 2020-08-20 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learn More About Our Upcoming Fall Session
  154. 2020-08-20 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A Historic Time In History, Use Your Voice NOW
  155. 2020-08-20 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Submit your session for LibrePlanet 2021 before
  156. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?4oCcRkVNQSwgSSdkIHJhdGhlciBkbyBidXNp?=
  157. 2020-08-21 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <email-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Today, see comets up close!
  158. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Cuomo to Trump - get a mask, while unmasked...
  159. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Made up Sunset Park emergency
  160. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Coney Island is being killed by COVID-19 response.
  161. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mail Order Election Fraud
  162. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WUHAN-19 Costs
  163. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] bastions of Conservative Immergants...
  164. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The very real death of NYC culture
  165. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] defunding the police - in seatle fails to impress
  166. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] after a series of failures - finally the FDA is
  167. 2020-08-21 Doug Lytle <support-at-drdos.info> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  168. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lebanon's free fall collapse will echo for
  169. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cyberwars in full gear
  170. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Mar 2019 - Who needs hospitals? Not Cuomo..
  171. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Who needs hostials - STILL ... Today not last
  172. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Lack of Policing makes crime rise? Who knew?
  173. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Black Lives really DO matter... Minories and
  174. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The sumartion of Cuomo's death toll added to
  175. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] US Postal Service and Elections
  176. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learning from the Enemy Camp and the Value of
  177. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Trumps Words - The right to decide for yourself..
  178. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The economy is not coming back... suprise.
  179. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hezbolah and Lebanon
  180. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Keep your friends closer..
  181. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The Chinese technological threat and recruitment
  182. 2020-08-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] hacking wars in the covid-19 period
  183. 2020-08-10 Boris Reitman <boris.reitman-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table
  184. 2020-08-23 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  185. 2020-08-23 Axel Braun <axel.braun-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] GNU Health 3.6.4 install errors
  186. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] closed platform means closed!
  187. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Cost of Unemployment - Europe and the US
  188. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] How nyc is emparing economic recorvy over petty
  189. 2020-08-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] stimulating the Chinese economy with US money
  190. 2020-08-24 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #474 - Perl and Docker
  191. 2020-08-25 The Billie Holiday Theatre <info-at-thebillieholiday.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Taking a Moment to Pause & Reflect
  192. 2020-08-25 ruth02-at-web.de Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table --> How many minutes to build it
  193. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tree Table --> How many minutes to build it
  194. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] current schedule out of Sheepshead Bay
  195. 2020-08-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The massive layoffs are now starting - American
  196. 2020-08-26 Adam Richter <adamrichter4-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] Impedements to libpng-1.7.0
  197. 2020-08-26 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  198. 2020-08-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] to top off a perfectly terrible month...
  199. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Insurance Company Windfalls
  200. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Perl is not quite dead yet
  201. 2020-08-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?news_worth_reporting_-_Pyongyang?=
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  204. 2020-08-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] WHO failure
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