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| FROM | Mithun Bhattacharya
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
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Haha my service is meant to be a blackbox - of course it talks to three
different REST services :)
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:05 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 07:59:01PM -0500, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> > The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being share=
d
> > which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
> >
>
>
> Maybe JBoss
>
> really there is none. mod_perl turns apache into an application server,
> and there is not much like it, where it can get you right into the heart
> of the Apache response cycle.
>
> If you want something that talks to 3 jsom servers and exposes your data
> all over the net, you can do this with mod_perl, but it is not something
> that would interest most mod_perl coders.
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
> > > utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time
> and
> > > scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is
> not a
> > > mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains wha=
t
> has
> > > to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known
> > > means.
> > > >
> > > > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
> > > resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply=
, by
> running a
> > > high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web
> server
> > > with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
> > > Apache+mod_perl installation.
> > > >
> > > > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server
> handles
> > > all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the
> Perl
> > > app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HT=
TP
> > > requests.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the mo=
st
> > > important one.
> > >
> > > To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> > >
> > >
> > > > - Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> > > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> > > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> > >
> > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> > > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> > > http://www.brooklyn-living.com
> > >
> > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> > > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
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Haha my service is meant to be a blackbox - of course it t=
alks to three different REST services :)
"> 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue,=
Aug 04, 2020 at 07:59:01PM -0500, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being =
shared
> which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
>
Maybe JBoss
really there is none.=C2=A0 mod_perl turns apache into an application serve=
r,
and there is not much like it, where it can get you right into the heart>
of the Apache response cycle.
If you want something that talks to 3 jsom servers and exposes your data>
all over the net, you can do this with mod_perl, but it is not something>
that would interest most mod_perl coders.
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir <-at-mrbrklyn.com" target=3D"_blank">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:>
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <f=3D"mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> > > >
> > > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well =
known" means ?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <f=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org>
> > <mailto:">mark-at-blackmans.org>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <<=
a href=3D"mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.comr>
> > <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more ef=
ficient
> > utilization of resources - this is important when fast response t=
ime and
> > scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but i=
t is not a
> > mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains=
what has
> > to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > > >
> > > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved =
by other well-known
> > means.
> > >
> > > That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient =
utilisation of
> > resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, mo=
re simply, by running a
> > high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web=
server
> > with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complica=
ted
> > Apache+mod_perl installation.
> > >
> > > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web se=
rver handles
> > all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and =
the Perl
> > app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized=
, HTTP
> > requests.
> > >
> >
> > Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, th=
e most
> > important one.
> >
> > To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> >
> >
> > > - Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> > _blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> > ank">http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > target=3D"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Arc=
hive
> > =3D"_blank">http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> > get=3D"_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
> >
> > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 201=
3
> >
> >
--
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DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
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"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
ank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
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Haha my service is meant to be a blackbox - of course it talks to three
different REST services :)
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:05 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 07:59:01PM -0500, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> > The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being share=
d
> > which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
> >
>
>
> Maybe JBoss
>
> really there is none. mod_perl turns apache into an application server,
> and there is not much like it, where it can get you right into the heart
> of the Apache response cycle.
>
> If you want something that talks to 3 jsom servers and exposes your data
> all over the net, you can do this with mod_perl, but it is not something
> that would interest most mod_perl coders.
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
> > > utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time
> and
> > > scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is
> not a
> > > mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains wha=
t
> has
> > > to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known
> > > means.
> > > >
> > > > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
> > > resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply=
, by
> running a
> > > high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web
> server
> > > with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
> > > Apache+mod_perl installation.
> > > >
> > > > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server
> handles
> > > all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the
> Perl
> > > app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HT=
TP
> > > requests.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the mo=
st
> > > important one.
> > >
> > > To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> > >
> > >
> > > > - Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> > > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> > > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> > >
> > > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> > > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> > > http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> > > http://www.brooklyn-living.com
> > >
> > > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> > > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
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Haha my service is meant to be a blackbox - of course it t=
alks to three different REST services :)
"> 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue,=
Aug 04, 2020 at 07:59:01PM -0500, Mithun Bhattacharya wrote:
> The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being =
shared
> which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
>
Maybe JBoss
really there is none.=C2=A0 mod_perl turns apache into an application serve=
r,
and there is not much like it, where it can get you right into the heart>
of the Apache response cycle.
If you want something that talks to 3 jsom servers and exposes your data>
all over the net, you can do this with mod_perl, but it is not something>
that would interest most mod_perl coders.
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir <-at-mrbrklyn.com" target=3D"_blank">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:>
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <f=3D"mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> > > >
> > > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well =
known" means ?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <f=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org>
> > <mailto:">mark-at-blackmans.org>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <<=
a href=3D"mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.comr>
> > <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more ef=
ficient
> > utilization of resources - this is important when fast response t=
ime and
> > scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but i=
t is not a
> > mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains=
what has
> > to happen and what could have gone wrong.
> > > >
> > > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved =
by other well-known
> > means.
> > >
> > > That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient =
utilisation of
> > resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, mo=
re simply, by running a
> > high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web=
server
> > with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complica=
ted
> > Apache+mod_perl installation.
> > >
> > > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web se=
rver handles
> > all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and =
the Perl
> > app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized=
, HTTP
> > requests.
> > >
> >
> > Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, th=
e most
> > important one.
> >
> > To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> >
> >
> > > - Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> > _blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> >
> > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> > ank">http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> > target=3D"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Arc=
hive
> > =3D"_blank">http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> > get=3D"_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
> >
> > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 201=
3
> >
> >
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