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Mod Perl is awesome. That said, the cool kids today are all about Plack.
Google: Dancer, Mojolicious, Catalyst. These allow you to plugin to all
parts of the HTTP protocol, but obviously not to modify apache
configuration.
Excelent, stable, FAST, production ready HTTP server: Starman
Even faster, but not as proven: Twiggy.
The most common setup would be with an Nginx process in front.
I had a hard time accepting this was a good configuration because for 20
years I had thought of webservers as big giant compiled systems (apache),
but apparently you can now create something just as fast in Perl.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:59 PM Mithun Bhattacharya wrote=
:
> The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared
> which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman >> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya >> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
>> utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and
>> scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is no=
t a
>> mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what h=
as
>> to happen and what could have gone wrong.
>> > >
>> > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other well=
-known
>> means.
>> >
>> > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
>> resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply, b=
y running a
>> high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web server
>> with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
>> Apache+mod_perl installation.
>> >
>> > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server
>> handles all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and
>> the Perl app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normaliz=
ed,
>> HTTP requests.
>> >
>>
>> Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
>> important one.
>>
>> To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
>>
>>
>> > - Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>>
>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>>
>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>>
>>
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Mod Perl is awesome. That said, the cool kids today are al= l about Plack.
Google: Dancer, Mojolicious, Catalyst. Th=
ese allow you to plugin to all parts of the HTTP protocol, but obviously=C2=
=A0not to modify apache configuration.=C2=A0 Excelent, stable, FA=
ST, production ready HTTP server:=C2=A0Starman Even faster, but n=
ot as proven: Twiggy.
The most common setup wo=
uld be with an Nginx process in front.
I had a har=
d time accepting this was a good configuration because for 20 years I had t=
hought of webservers=C2=A0as big giant compiled systems (apache), but appar=
ently=C2=A0you can now create something just as fast in Perl. >
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:59 PM Mithun Bhattacharya &l= t; mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote: div> der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The =
question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared wh=
ich blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
"gmail_quote"> quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Black=
man wrote:
>
>
> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <o:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known"=
; means ?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <o:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org <mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.orga>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com&=
gt;> wrote:
> > >
> > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient ut=
ilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and scal=
ability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not a mys=
tery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what has to =
happen and what could have gone wrong.
> >
> > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known means.
>
> That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient utilisatio=
n of resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, more si=
mply, by running a high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server =
and a web server with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a c=
omplicated Apache+mod_perl installation.
>
> That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handl=
es all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Per=
l app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP r=
equests.
>
Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
important one.
To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> - Mark
>
>
>
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
ht=
tp://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http:=
//www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
ank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
--0000000000005ad60e05ac16f87d-- --===============1128122586== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Hangout mailing list Hangout-at-nylxs.com http://lists.mrbrklyn.com/mailman/listinfo/hangout --===============1128122586==-- --===============1128122586== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005ad60e05ac16f87d" --0000000000005ad60e05ac16f87d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mod Perl is awesome. That said, the cool kids today are all about Plack. Google: Dancer, Mojolicious, Catalyst. These allow you to plugin to all parts of the HTTP protocol, but obviously not to modify apache configuration. Excelent, stable, FAST, production ready HTTP server: Starman Even faster, but not as proven: Twiggy. The most common setup would be with an Nginx process in front. I had a hard time accepting this was a good configuration because for 20 years I had thought of webservers as big giant compiled systems (apache), but apparently you can now create something just as fast in Perl. On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:59 PM Mithun Bhattacharya wrote=
:
> The question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared
> which blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:56 PM Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Blackman wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known" means ?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman >> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya >> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient
>> utilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and
>> scalability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is no=
t a
>> mystery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what h=
as
>> to happen and what could have gone wrong.
>> > >
>> > > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other well=
-known
>> means.
>> >
>> > That would depend on what you mean by "efficient utilisation of
>> resources=E2=80=9D. You can get the same general effect, more simply, b=
y running a
>> high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server and a web server
>> with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a complicated
>> Apache+mod_perl installation.
>> >
>> > That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server
>> handles all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and
>> the Perl app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normaliz=
ed,
>> HTTP requests.
>> >
>>
>> Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
>> important one.
>>
>> To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
>>
>>
>> > - Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>>
>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>>
>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>>
>>
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Mod Perl is awesome. That said, the cool kids today are al= l about Plack.
Google: Dancer, Mojolicious, Catalyst. Th=
ese allow you to plugin to all parts of the HTTP protocol, but obviously=C2=
=A0not to modify apache configuration.=C2=A0 Excelent, stable, FA=
ST, production ready HTTP server:=C2=A0Starman Even faster, but n=
ot as proven: Twiggy.
The most common setup wo=
uld be with an Nginx process in front.
I had a har=
d time accepting this was a good configuration because for 20 years I had t=
hought of webservers=C2=A0as big giant compiled systems (apache), but appar=
ently=C2=A0you can now create something just as fast in Perl. >
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:59 PM Mithun Bhattacharya &l= t; mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote: div> der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The =
question is move off to what ? I don't see alternatives being shared wh=
ich blows an apache+mod_perl setup out of the water.
"gmail_quote"> quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 09:48:48PM +0100, Mark Black=
man wrote:
>
>
> > On 4 Aug 2020, at 21:41, Mithun Bhattacharya <o:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am genuinely curious what are these other "well known"=
; means ?
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:37 PM Mark Blackman <o:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.org <mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:mark-at-blackmans.org" target=3D"_blank">mark-at-blackmans.orga>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On 4 Aug 2020, at 17:58, Mithun Bhattacharya <mailto:mithnb-at-gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mithnb-at-gmail.com <mailto:=
mithnb-at-gmail.com&=
gt;> wrote:
> > >
> > > mod_perl does have value because it does a more efficient ut=
ilization of resources - this is important when fast response time and scal=
ability is important. The complexity is a known problem but it is not a mys=
tery box either - there is enough documentation which explains what has to =
happen and what could have gone wrong.
> >
> > mod_perl=E2=80=99s relative efficiency can be achieved by other w=
ell-known means.
>
> That would depend on what you mean by=C2=A0 "efficient utilisatio=
n of resources=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You can get the same general effect, more si=
mply, by running a high-performing pre-forking Perl web application server =
and a web server with a simple configuration in front of it ,instead of a c=
omplicated Apache+mod_perl installation.
>
> That also buys you a nice separation of concerns, the web server handl=
es all the complicated host or path rewrites and access control and the Per=
l app focuses on responding to the, now-sanitised, fully normalized, HTTP r=
equests.
>
Not really and the separtion is not a concern, it is an asset, the most
important one.
To get faster, you would need to move off apache.
> - Mark
>
>
>
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
ht=
tp://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http:=
//www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
"_blank">http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive
>http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
ank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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