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| DATE | 2020-08-04 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] suggestions for perl as web development
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On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 11:42:34AM -0500, Joseph He wrote:
> My company uses Perl for web development. It handles real time payment
> transactions without any problem. Good software is made by the people not
> by the language.
>
Well, there is that...
> Joseph
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:28 AM James Smith wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* John Dunlap
> > *Sent:* 04 August 2020 15:30
> > *To:* Wesley Peng
> > *Cc:* mod_perl list
> > *Subject:* Re: suggestions for perl as web development language [EXT]
> >
> >
> >
> > The fundamental and, in my opinion, fatal flaws of mod_per are as follows:
> >
> > > 1) Concurrency. mod_perl is pretty close to forced to use mpm_prefork
> > because very few perl dependencies are thread safe.
> >
> >
> >
> > Concurrency in extreme conditions - is actually better when it comes to
> > mod_perl than a number of other solutions – e.g. nginx/starman.
> > Apache/mod_perl is much better at handling large numbers of simultaneous
> > requests than the systems which fork a number of small processes at start
> > up to handle requests. You either have to fork a large number of these or
> > pray you don’t get large numbers of simultaneous requests. Some of our
> > systems have long return times for queries due to the terra/petabyte scale
> > of some of our backend servers.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2) mod_perl cannot provide web sockets.
> >
> >
> >
> > True – we haven’t really found an excuse for web-sockets although our
> > front end “Application Delivery Controller” (which sits in the DMZ) can
> > manage proxying requests that need sockets one way and others that don’t
> > another way.
> >
> > There are still a lot of issues with web-sockets – due to not all proxies
> > handling these requests and so have to limit their use in a lot our cases [
> > a lot of our users are on networks that sit behind proxy/cache servers ]
> >
> >
> >
> > > Due to these reasons, my organization has started looking at ways to
> > move away from mod_perl.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are using more off the shelf packages for some of our applications –
> > e.g. Wordpress as a CMS/Object manager, and yes we are also moving to more
> > front-end centric applications. But many of our fundamental pieces of code
> > are still working in Apache/mod_perl as it is a better, more-reliable
> > language to work with.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:43 AM Wesley Peng wrote:
> >
> > greetings,
> >
> > My team use all of perl, ruby, python for scripting stuff.
> > perl is stronger for system admin tasks, and data analysis etc.
> > But for web development, it seems to be not as popular as others.
> > It has less selective frameworks, and even we can't get the right people
> > to do the webdev job with perl.
> > Do you think in today we will give up perl/modperl as web development
> > language, and choose the alternatives instead?
> >
> > Thanks & Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > John Dunlap
> >
> > CTO | Lariat
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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