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Oh, grow up.
Having talked with Emily Graslie before, during, and after the filming of
this, there was indeed a conscious choice of representation in this show.
And the idea was that after fifty years of paleo-documentaries on TV, maybe
having ONE that doesn't heavily feature white men from big institutions is
okay. Just one. You may have missed the fact that she tried to focus on
research not by the AMNH or Smithsonian or so forth. The MOR and the ROM
were the biggest institutions represented, and she tried to make sure many
smaller ones were featured as well (the Tate, Carter County, etc.).
Obviously this is more than your sweet little self can handle.
Additionally, Graslie states the premise from the beginning: it is to show
something of process of discovery being made and the people making it in
the places she grew up. Full stop. Never claimed that this was a remake of
Walking with Dinosaurs or Lost Worlds, Vanished Lives or whatever. Those
already exist. This was supposed to be a different kind of story.
And her attitude is a big feature on SciShow. Some people might like it,
others don't. Your mileage may vary.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:18 PM aviva wrote:
> On 7/18/20 5:00 PM, Gregory Paul wrote:
> > I am working on an article on paleoracism for Prehistoric Times.
>
>
>
> please don't. White men bad... we all know. I saved you the trouble now.
>
>
>
>
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fifty years of paleo-documentaries on TV, maybe having ONE that doesn't=
heavily feature white men from big institutions is okay. Just one. You may=
have missed the fact that she tried to focus on research not by the AMNH o=
r Smithsonian or so forth. The MOR and the ROM were the biggest institution=
s represented, and she tried to make sure many smaller ones were featured a=
s well (the Tate, Carter County, etc.).
Obviously =
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iv>Additionally, Graslie states the premise from the beginning: it is to sh=
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the places she grew up. Full stop. Never claimed that this was a remake of=
Walking with Dinosaurs or Lost Worlds, Vanished Lives or whatever. Those a=
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Oh, grow up.
Having talked with Emily Graslie before, during, and after the filming of
this, there was indeed a conscious choice of representation in this show.
And the idea was that after fifty years of paleo-documentaries on TV, maybe
having ONE that doesn't heavily feature white men from big institutions is
okay. Just one. You may have missed the fact that she tried to focus on
research not by the AMNH or Smithsonian or so forth. The MOR and the ROM
were the biggest institutions represented, and she tried to make sure many
smaller ones were featured as well (the Tate, Carter County, etc.).
Obviously this is more than your sweet little self can handle.
Additionally, Graslie states the premise from the beginning: it is to show
something of process of discovery being made and the people making it in
the places she grew up. Full stop. Never claimed that this was a remake of
Walking with Dinosaurs or Lost Worlds, Vanished Lives or whatever. Those
already exist. This was supposed to be a different kind of story.
And her attitude is a big feature on SciShow. Some people might like it,
others don't. Your mileage may vary.
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:18 PM aviva wrote:
> On 7/18/20 5:00 PM, Gregory Paul wrote:
> > I am working on an article on paleoracism for Prehistoric Times.
>
>
>
> please don't. White men bad... we all know. I saved you the trouble now.
>
>
>
>
--=20
Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
Email: tholtz-at-umd.edu Phone: 301-405-4084
Principal Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology
Office: Geology 4106, 8000 Regents Dr., College Park MD 20742
Dept. of Geology, University of Maryland
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.geol.umd.edu/*tholtz/__;fg!!LIr3w8kk=
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Phone: 301-405-6965
Fax: 301-314-9661
Faculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, College Park Scholars
Office: Centreville 1216, 4243 Valley Dr., College Park MD 20742
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Oh, grow up.
Having talked with Emily G=
raslie before, during, and after the filming of this, there was indeed a co=
nscious choice of representation in this show. And the idea was that after =
fifty years of paleo-documentaries on TV, maybe having ONE that doesn't=
heavily feature white men from big institutions is okay. Just one. You may=
have missed the fact that she tried to focus on research not by the AMNH o=
r Smithsonian or so forth. The MOR and the ROM were the biggest institution=
s represented, and she tried to make sure many smaller ones were featured a=
s well (the Tate, Carter County, etc.).
Obviously =
this is more than your sweet little self can handle.
iv>Additionally, Graslie states the premise from the beginning: it is to sh=
ow something of process of discovery being made and the people making it in=
the places she grew up. Full stop. Never claimed that this was a remake of=
Walking with Dinosaurs or Lost Worlds, Vanished Lives or whatever. Those a=
lready exist. This was supposed to be a different kind of story.=
And her attitude is a big feature on SciShow. Some people mi=
ght like it, others don't. Your mileage may vary.
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egory Paul wrote:
> I am working on an article on paleoracism for Prehistoric Times.
please don't.=C2=A0 White men bad... we all know.=C2=A0 I saved you the=
trouble now.
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