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| DATE | 2020-07-09 |
| FROM | mayer ilovitz
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Israel's second wave
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just a few points:
- talking/singing can also create the infectious droplets. A number of
clusters got started in choirs. And coughs/sneezes aren't entirely
predictable.
- covid is far more devastating than any flu if you are asymptomatic.
And it's not clear how safe the asymptomatic cases are. Looking back,
they noticed the number of cardiac arrest cases where 2-3x above normal
during the height of the epidemic and far more fatal and are now
strongly suspected to have been covid related. Plus "kawasaki-like"
syndrome that was supposedly only occurring in some children was
identified in at least one 20-something. They have yet to investigate if
this was happening in other adults.
- in symptomatic people, infectiousness starts at least 2 days before
symptoms. In the asymptomatic, they canbe walking around infectious for
1-2(+?) weeks. That's suspected to be how the epidemic got so out of hand.
it's a case of when, not if, the epidemic restarts in NY. All we can do
at this time to delay it is what has been repeatedly stated: masks,
distancing/dilution, cleaning. Failure to do those things is what got
the rest of the country & Israel in such trouble. (and yes, I've been
worried from the early on about the implications of both split-unit A/Cs
(poor fresh air flow) and allergy season )
On 7/9/2020 11:15 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 07:12:56PM -0400, Karen Perilman via Docs wrote:
>> Liz,
>>
>> They have been requiring ID to enter buildings before Covid, but now, they have the system computerized so that if they find there is an outbreak of Covid in any of the employees, they can track all the visitors....
>> My doctors office made me wash my hands with an alcohol gel, and then put on gloves.
>> When I refused to wear the gloves, they insisted so I begrudgingly put them on, and then took them off when the door was closed. Even crazier, the Amazon delivery man was UNMASKED, UNGLOVED and no one said a word.
>> Another patient in the office, was wearing his mask on his neck and no one said a word.
>> It is random HARRASSMENT!!!
>> To get in the building, you have to use a picture ID, and it’s inserted in what looks like a credit card scanner.
>>
>> It’s an invasion of privacy, and it’s insane.
>> Here’s the best part, my doctor had to examine my face, and I was unmasked, and suddenly the paranoia disappeared.
>>
>> My apartment building requires ALL visitors to sign a waiver when entering if they are not residents and they have to wear a mask.
>>
>> My housekeeper didn’t have a picture ID because she doesn’t drive. So I had to come down and vouch for her. She still had to sign a waiver. Apparently they are doing this in other buildings because she told me this wasn’t the first time she ever had to sign a paper to enter her other clients.
>>
>> This level of insanity is inappropriate.
>
> BINGO
>
>
>> If you are not coughing or sneezing, why are people so insanely crazy???
>> It’s an airborne disease. So how the heck can you get it if the person isn’t coughing and sneezing?? The argument of asymptomatic patients is absolutely stupid.
>
> It is stupid because it is an argument that can't be logically solved,
> and it was always and is always true. Any disease that has the ability
> to be transmitted has to have a significant assymptomatic phase... ALL
> OF THEM,Covid is not special in this regard. So by this logic, we
> should always wear a mask, forever.
>
>
>> How do you transmit an airborne disease with NO SYMPTOMS?
>> Unless you are french kissing strangers, what’s with the paranoia.
>> Don’t share a fork, don’t smoke the same joint, 😉 and keep your hands to yourself.
>>
>> Now, I went several stores today, and the crowds at Zara were insane. No one was coughing and sneezing, and everyone had a mask, and there was no one having a melt down.
>> Restaurants in my neighborhood are thriving and no one is wearing masks, of course.
>> The social distancing has gone out the window, even walking down the streets of NYC.
> Between the looming MTA debt and the city spending, there is no choice?
> They are now doing to plan B... tickingting everything and everyone they
> can to raise money... putting us full square back to the 1970's
> governmet that views its population are assetts to be squeezed to fund
> political programs rather than the empowered citizenry that government
> is supposed to be serving.
>
> There is no way out of this other than changing jurisdiction. The
> problem is that NJersy Governoor is crazier than our Mayor, if that was
> even possible.
>
> At least in Jersey, they will undoubtedly boot this bastard out of
> office. NYC politics is doubling down on a deathly formulation that is
> destroying the city.
>
> Try calling 311.
>
>
>> Our stats are holding their own.
>> The only problem I see is people leaving NYC because the socialist mayor wants to take back private real estate, and over tax the people who are working.
>>
>> This will turn NYC into an urban jungle with the majority of people living on the dole.
>>
>> Has anyone else had a similar experience of being tracked when entering a building??
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Liz Moore via Docs wrote:
>>>
>>> Why are they requiring an ID for entrance to a building?Why are they requiring an ID for entrance to a building!?! ID does not say whether or not you have immunity to Covid ID does not say whether or not you have immunity to Covid Or whether or not you plan on any kind of public destruction. That makes no sense?!?! Do they give any rationale as to their reasoning?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Karen Perilman via Docs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I want to hear one person complain about voter ID!
>>>>
>>>> You can’t get into any building in New York City without a photo ID that goes through a computer, all because of Covid.
>>>>
>>>> We are being tracked and herded.
>>>>
>>>> If you pulled this crap on any ethnic group or racial group you would be labeled a racist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:51 PM, Ruben Safir via Docs wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Second Coronavirus Wave Slams Israel
>>>>> Felicia Schwartz and Dov Lieber
>>>>> 8-10 minutes
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday Israels cabinet approved closing all gyms, bars, banquet
>>>>> halls, public pools and cultural events, reimposing portions of a
>>>>> strict lockdown that the government had eased in May. The cabinet also
>>>>> moved to limit the number of people who could sit inside restaurants to
>>>>> 20; outside restaurants to 30; and indoor prayer services to 19. The
>>>>> government ordered 30% of public workers to work from home, after
>>>>> restrictions were relaxed since mid-May.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking to his cabinet, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the
>>>>> number of severely ill patients is doubling every four days, and warned
>>>>> the number of severely ill patients could paralyze the health system.
>>>>> He said his government would strictly regulate indoor activities where
>>>>> experts say the virus is rapidly spreading.
>>>>>
>>>>> The virus is spreading and its clear as day, Mr. Netanyahu said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prime Minister Netanyahu warned that the number of severely ill
>>>>> patients could paralyze the health system.
>>>>> Photo: gali tibbon/press pool
>>>>>
>>>>> After cases peaked in late March and early April at around several
>>>>> hundred a day, Israels coronavirus cases were reduced to low double
>>>>> digits for most of May. Many of the countrys hospitals closed their
>>>>> coronavirus wards.
>>>>>
>>>>> But over the past week, new infections in Israel have approached or
>>>>> exceeded 1,000 a day, with nearly 800 new infections recorded Monday.
>>>>> The country has reported a record number of active cases, more than
>>>>> 11,800. It has reported a total of 30,162 cases, with 332 people dying
>>>>> of the disease known as Covid-19, according to Israels health ministry.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Palestinian Authority, which controls Palestinian areas of the West
>>>>> Bank, ordered a lockdown Friday amid an uptick in cases there. There
>>>>> are 4,101 active cases in the West Bank and Gaza, which is controlled
>>>>> by Hamas, and there have been 4,768 cases since the beginning of the
>>>>> outbreak. Twenty-one people have died.
>>>>>
>>>>> The surge comes as Mr. Netanyahu had been focused on a campaign pledge
>>>>> to annex parts of the occupied West Bank. Over the past week officials
>>>>> inside and outside of his government have urged that Israel focus on
>>>>> the coronavirus before trying to pursue a pledge that has divided
>>>>> Israelis and united Arab and European countries in opposition. The
>>>>> annexation push is currently on hold as Israeli and American officials
>>>>> negotiate over what actions Washington would support.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Promise and Peril of Fast-Tracking Coronavirus Vaccine Development
>>>>>
>>>>> 0:00 / 8:14
>>>>>
>>>>> The Promise and Peril of Fast-Tracking Coronavirus Vaccine Development
>>>>>
>>>>> The Promise and Peril of Fast-Tracking Coronavirus Vaccine Development
>>>>> As the coronavirus continues to spread around the globe, companies and
>>>>> academic labs are racing to develop a vaccine that would help society
>>>>> get back to normal. But there could also be costs to moving too
>>>>> quickly. WSJs Daniela Hernandez explains. Photo illustration: Laura
>>>>> Kammermann
>>>>>
>>>>> Benny Gantz, the prime ministers former rival who joined him in a unity
>>>>> government, has lobbied Mr. Netanyahu to focus on the virus and the
>>>>> economic fallout before any other policy priorities. The prime minister
>>>>> said Sunday he is working on an economic plan to help business owners,
>>>>> self-employed people and workers who are affected by the virus.
>>>>> Unemployment in Israel is 21%.
>>>>> Understanding Coronavirus
>>>>>
>>>>> To combat the virus, Mr. Gantz is pushing for the military, which he
>>>>> controls as defense minister, to take full control of managing the
>>>>> coronavirus crisis. The virus response is currently handled by a
>>>>> collective of government bodies.
>>>>>
>>>>> During the initial spike of infections, Israels military was
>>>>> responsible for working in restricted zones and ran hotels that housed
>>>>> infected individuals, but as infections declined in May, its role in
>>>>> managing the outbreak shrank.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last week Israels government resumed a program run by its internal
>>>>> security service, the Shin Bet, to use its terror tracking tools to
>>>>> carry out contact tracing on civilians, after the program was frozen
>>>>> June 9 due to opposition from the agencys chief. Thousands have been
>>>>> sent into quarantine so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the past week, Israels health ministry said between 16,815 and
>>>>> 25,039 coronavirus tests were conducted a day. Between 3.7% and 4.8% of
>>>>> those were positive for the virus. Medical labs have struggled to keep
>>>>> up with the pace, slowing results. Experts are urging Israel to
>>>>> increase testing capacity and contract tracing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Protesters along the assumed route of Mr. Netanyahu from his weekend
>>>>> residence in Caesarea to Jerusalem.
>>>>> Photo: Nir Alon/Zuma Press
>>>>>
>>>>> The level of concern of Israel has gone up significantly because we
>>>>> understand the way this epidemic progresses, said Arnon Afek, associate
>>>>> director of Sheba Medical Center and former director general of the
>>>>> health ministry. We know what we see right now and with the rate of
>>>>> infection will mean that we will see many more severely sick patients.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Netanyahu was quick to shut Israels borders and impose mandatory
>>>>> quarantines for returning travelers in March, sparing the country from
>>>>> an outbreak on par with Europe and the U.S.
>>>>> STAY INFORMED
>>>>>
>>>>> Get a coronavirus briefing six days a week, and a weekly Health
>>>>> newsletter once the crisis abates: Sign up here.
>>>>>
>>>>> The publics trust in Mr. Netanyahu to manage the coronavirus crisis has
>>>>> fallen considerably, from 74% who approved of his handling of the
>>>>> pandemic in May, to 46% in July, according to a poll released Monday by
>>>>> Israels Channel 12.
>>>>>
>>>>> Israels military ran up to 24 quarantine hotels to separate those
>>>>> infected or exposed. It is currently operating 10 such hotels, two for
>>>>> people who have been exposed to the virus and eight others for people
>>>>> recovering.
>>>>>
>>>>> As cases dropped to the single digits in May and the lockdown began to
>>>>> ease, Israel closed most of the hotels and many coronavirus wards as
>>>>> they were deemed unnecessary. Cases began to surge over the past two
>>>>> weeks as people attended mass gatherings like weddings and prayer
>>>>> services with little regard for social-distancing guidelines.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last set of openings from an earlier decision to open schools and
>>>>> social life and mass gatherings were probably a step too far, said Dr.
>>>>> Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer of Clalit, Israels largest
>>>>> health-care provider. That plus a false sense of safety that people
>>>>> had.
>>>>>
>>>>> Write to Felicia Schwartz at Felicia.Schwartz-at-wsj.co
>>>>>
>>>>> wSJ
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>>>>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>>>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>>>>>
>>>>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
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>>>>>
>>>>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>>>>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>>>>>
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