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MESSAGE
DATE 2020-07-08
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] making up news on a slow newws day
Note - to NY Post - I don't give a dam what a distant relative of Thomas
Jefferson thinks about anything.

As for Jefferson, he is the foundation stone of American Liberal
Democracy .... PERIOD.

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Two of Thomas Jeffersons descendants want his DC memorial replaced
By Yaron SteinbuchJuly 8, 2020 | 7:52am
Enlarge Image
Rudulph Evans' Thomas Jefferson statue sits inside the rotunda of the
Thomas Jefferson Memorial
Rudulph Evans' Thomas Jefferson statue sits inside the rotunda of the
Thomas Jefferson MemorialGetty Images
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Two descendants of Thomas Jefferson said they want his DC memorial
replaced because it glorifies the third president as a Founding Father
without providing context about him being a slaveholder, according to a
report.

Lucian Truscott, who is white, is a sixth-generation descendant of
Jefferson, and Shannon LaNier, whos black, is a ninth-generation
descendant of the former president and Sally Hemings, one of his slaves,
CNN reported.

I think a lot of these public statues were put in place for the wrong
reasons and to glorify people who were flawed. We have to start looking
at these people as human beings, not gods, not idols, LaNier told the
network Tuesday.

In response to the recent removal of monuments by activists across the
US, President Trump has signed an executive order for the creation of a
National Garden of statues, including one of Jefferson.

The former president owned hundreds of slaves during his lifetime but is
remembered for famously writing: We hold these truths to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal.

He said one thing, but he didnt practice that thing, LaNier told CNN.
People have been giving him a pass for years because he helped found
this country, but he also helped do it on the backs of slaves, whether
that was their blood sweat and tears that they had to put in to do it.

Truscott said he grew up playing at Monticello, Jeffersons home in
Virginia, which he argued is a much more fitting tribute to his
ancestor.

Enlarge ImageLocal sights as seen from the Potomac and Anacostia, in
Washington, DC.


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The Tidal Basin inlet bridge with the Jefferson Memorial in the
backgroundThe Washington Post via Getty Images
If you visit Monticello now, youll take a tour and learn as much about
slave life at Monticello as you do about Jefferson himself, Truscott
told CNN. I think that it gives a picture of Jefferson in full with his
flaws and his greatness intact.

Truscott suggested replacing the Jefferson Memorial with a tribute to
Harriet Tubman the leader of the Underground Railroad whom he described
as one of Americas founding mothers.

I think weve paid enough attention to the founding fathers over the
years and its time to celebrate some of the women that helped found this
country, he said.

I describe Harriet Tubman as helping to found the America that came
along after slavery, Truscott added.

LaNier said the Jefferson Memorial also could be replaced with a symbol
of unity.

Were not erasing history, were teaching the full story of what is and
what these people did to and for our country, he said.


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  106. 2020-07-22 Edgar Hagenbichler <edgar.hagenbichler-at-hagenbichler.at> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] webinar GNUHealth for beginners on Mon 3
  107. 2020-07-23 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Registration Is Now Open for Our First Fall
  108. 2020-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] A Message from President Kimberly R. Cline
  109. 2020-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Informational Message: Certified Pharmacist
  110. 2020-07-27 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #470 - Perl Mentoring
  111. 2020-07-26 The Hebron Fund <info-at-hebronfund.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hero Soldier, Life After Corona VIDEO,
  112. 2020-07-27 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #470 - Perl Mentoring
  113. 2020-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Belmar vacation - One Sunday
  114. 2020-07-27 Steffen Land <info-at-apachelounge.com.INVALID> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [users-at-httpd] Announcing mod_websocket v0.1.2
  115. 2020-07-28 From: "Dana Morgenstein, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Presenting the expanded Free Software Foundation
  116. 2020-07-28 jerome moliere via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Newcomer - a couple of questions
  117. 2020-07-28 Christos Nouskas via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] Newcomer - a couple of
  118. 2020-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virus cases in Israel - Do we trust the experts..
  119. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Tish B'av
  120. 2020-07-30 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <learn-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Learn More About Our Online Courses for Teachers
  121. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Herman cain died of WUHAN-19
  122. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] fre the mind
  123. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Bounces City and State checks...
  124. 2020-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] No end to the medical ethics problems we now
  125. 2020-07-30 Mark Galassi <mark-at-galassi.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] looking for collaborators for free s/w-based
  126. 2020-07-30 From: =?utf-8?Q?Zo=C3=AB_Kooyman=2C_FSF?= <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Free software in business: Success stories
  127. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  128. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  129. 2020-07-31 zap via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] I had a suggestion or two,
  130. 2020-07-13 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: CNN 7/3/20: Twitter and JPMorgan are
  131. 2020-07-13 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: CNN 7/3/20: Twitter and JPMorgan are

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