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| DATE | 2020-05-07 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] masked
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So, these gueneses have set up these impossible to follow directives and
they are getting caught in the "speakeasy", one after the other. This
one is by Fergeson who predeicted that 250,000 british people will die
from Corona. I don't know if I agree with that model by the way. The
initial mortality rate out of Wuahn was about 3% CBR and 0.67% of the
overall population, so one can do the math. You don't need advanced
models to get a guessimate.
He was caught visiting women... suprise.
Now here is where my friend Jon Tenant's work on open scholarship is
first and formost:
Quote:
Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could
check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last
week, after a six-week delay.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/professor-lockdown-modeler-resigns-in-disgrace/
Neil Ferguson is the British academic who created the infamous Imperial
College model that warned Boris Johnson that, without an immediate
lockdown, the coronavirus would cause 500,000 deaths and swamp the
National Health Service.
Johnson’s government promptly abandoned its Sweden-like “social
distancing” approach, and Ferguson’s model also influenced the U.S. to
make lockdown moves with its shocking prediction of over two million
Americans dead.
Johan Giesecke, the former chief scientist for the European Center for
Disease Control and Prevention, has called Ferguson’s model “the most
influential scientific paper” in memory. He also says it was, sadly,
“one of the most wrong.”
With all of his influence, it’s not surprising British media are making
a great deal about Ferguson being forced to resign from the government’s
virus advisory board yesterday after revelations he had violated
lockdown rules he had championed in order to conduct an affair with a
married woman. Ferguson admits he made an “error of judgement and took
the wrong course of action.”
Ferguson’s hypocritical violation of his beloved lockdown was the least
of his errors in judgment. His incompetence and insistence on doomsday
models is far worse.
Elon Musk calls Ferguson an “utter tool” who does “absurdly fake
science.” Jay Schnitzer, an expert in vascular biology and a former
scientific direct of the Sidney Kimmel Cancer Center in San Diego, tells
me: “I’m normally reluctant to say this about a scientist, but he dances
on the edge of being a publicity-seeking charlatan.”
Indeed, Ferguson’s Imperial College model has been proven wildly
inaccurate. To cite just one example, it saw Sweden paying a huge price
for no lockdown, with 40,000 COVID deaths by May 1, and 100,000 by June.
Sweden now has 2,854 deaths and peaked two weeks ago. As Fraser Nelson,
editor of Britain’s Spectator, notes: “Imperial College’s model is wrong
by an order of magnitude.”
Indeed, Ferguson has been wrong so often that some of his fellow
modelers call him “The Master of Disaster.”
Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling
of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of
foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people
could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. Charlotte Reid, a farmer’s
neighbor, recalls: “I remember that appalling time. Sheep were left
starving in fields near us. Then came the open air slaughter. The poor
animals were panic stricken. It was one of the worst things I’ve
witnessed. And all based on a model — if’s but’s and maybe’s.”
In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die
from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were
only 177 deaths from BSE.
In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be
killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from
the disease between 2003 and 2009.
In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a
“reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to
65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.
93
Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the
COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code
that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather
than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so
other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily
revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.
On 5/5/20 7:56 PM, Keren Ahava wrote:
> And we wonder why people are not compliant???
>
> California Rep. Harley Rouda was recently seen on a private beach in Orange County despite supporting Gov. Gavin Newsom’s criticism of those communities that opened beaches to the public during the coronavirus pandemic.
>
> Last week, Newsom ordered all beaches in Orange County to be temporarily shut down after reports and photos surfaced showing beachgoers apparently violating social distancing guidelines.
>
> You can’t say, do as I say not as I do
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 5, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Karen Perilman wrote:
>>
>> I question the rational regarding wearing masks for many reasons...
>>
>> #1 I have a lot of criticism about the way people are wearing masks and for how long and how often they change them.
>> #2) the way they are disposed, People are throwing them everywhere, basically spreading a contaminated item, (that is if we are all assumed to be carrying the virus
>> #3) people are STILL touching the front of the mask
>> #4) Paper masks are changed between patients in a dental office and they SHOULD be changed between patients in an OR setting, in fact, moist masks, or masks that people have sneezed or coughed into are no longer protective. So if we are all potentially “patients” or around “patients” you need to change the mask often.
>> #5)The CDC was clear, when a surgical mask is used, it should be changed every 20 minutes in a wet environment such as an OR or dental office.. A wet mask wicks all environmental bacteria and viruses. Non moist environments every 60 minutes.
>> #6)People putting used masks in their pockets and then reusing, or using masks inside-out is insane.
>>
>> We have given people a false sense of security and it is more dangerous for someone to use the masks and gloves improperly.
>>
>> Crowded spaces I understand, but walking on the streets distanced is not a risk.
>>
>> Basically, people become cavalier in their behavior wearing masks and gloves.
>> The best way to avoid contact is social distancing and hand washing with REAL soap
>>
>> If the masks people are wearing are so ideal, I can guarantee you no one would be permitted to enter a hospital operating room wearing a homemade mask or one that has been used and reused.
>>
>> The sane approach is to tell people if they are sick to stay HOME!!!
>>
>> Healthy people caring for sick people need to protect themselves with a mask and gloves and dispose of those items in a RED PLASTIC BAG and dropped off at a hospital where they dispose of medical waste properly.
>>
>> I can’t tell you how many masks and gloves I’ve seen and photographed just thrown on the street.
>>
>> Here is the worst examples that explain why people are non compliant.
>> #1) Politicians walking around unprotected and caught playing golf (Obama)
>> #2) Prominent newscasters like Chris Cuomo parading around outside who HAVE the corona and who were still infectious....
>> 3) George Stephanopolous was also seen out and about when he was diagnosed with Corona.
>>
>> People are also beginning to question what is “essential” and what is not.
>> Contractors in my neighbor are back working again.
>> Liquor stores are all open.....
>>
>> Why is it ok for some people to expose themselves? If the virus is so dangerous, then NO ONE should be out except Hospital employees, police and firemen.
>>
>> People are doing your shopping for you when you shop online. Amazon employees are working round the clock stocking your homes with essentials and NON essentials.
>> I think it’s just too unclear and random.
>>
>> Where are the studies to prove that wearing masks and gloves are keeping people from getting ANY virus?
>> I’m not saying they don’t exist, it’s just that no one is publishing proof.
>>
>> Common sense has flown the coop.
>> I would never put anyone at risk that was in a high risk category.
>> But if not everyone is dying from Corona, then we need to revisit how we approach this.
>> Everyone is still on edge and I feel like it’s destructive. How can anyone ever get on a train airplane or a bus again? We live in a germ filled world.....And that’s what builds immunity.
>> If they want to enforce masks, then they need to prove it’s saving lives.
>>
>> Here’s what’s saving lives at this time.....
>> Better treatment for those that are sick enough when they get to the hospital.
>> Telling people to stay home who are sick.
>> Telling those who are high risk to be careful.....
>> Pounding it in to WASH HANDS with REAL SOAP and scrubber.
>> We will come out of this virus, but hopefully not at the cost of making people afraid to live their lives.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On May 5, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>>
>>> Coronavirus: Why is there a US backlash to masks?
>>>
>>> 5 hours ago
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>>> Coronavirus pandemic
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>>>
>>> While US health experts continue to encourage mask use in public, and
>>> more parts of the country adopt this guidance, there has been pushback
>>> from some Americans about covering up. Why?
>>>
>>> Many protesters across the states have been pictured defying social
>>> distancing guidance without masks or face coverings. Online, the debate
>>> about mask effectiveness still plays out, with some claiming masks are
>>> not effective - or enforceable under US law.
>>>
>>> This is in marked contrast to other countries where populations have
>>> generally been compliant in wearing face coverings.
>>>
>>> The UK has yet to adopt the policy, pointing to WHO advice which says
>>> only health workers should wear them. But the London Underground advises
>>> passengers to cover their nose and mouth.
>>> So what does the resistance in the US look like?
>>>
>>> Ohio's Republican governor Mike DeWine - who has been praised for his
>>> early efforts to stem the spread - had to walk back an order requiring
>>> residents to wear masks in public as businesses reopened, calling the
>>> measure "a bridge too far".
>>>
>>> "People were not going to accept the government telling them what to
>>> do," he told ABC News on Sunday.
>>>
>>> There are similar stories across the nation, though many states and
>>> local governments have rules or guidance encouraging masks in public spaces.
>>>
>>> In Stillwater, Oklahoma, city officials had to rescind a mandatory mask
>>> order for local restaurants and businesses after employees were
>>> threatened and verbally abused by residents who refused to cover up.
>>>
>>> Why some countries wear face masks and others don't
>>>
>>> In Flint, Michigan, a security guard was shot and killed in an
>>> altercation that allegedly began over a customer's refusal to cover
>>> their face per the state governor's order.
>>>
>>> US store guard killed after mask row with customer
>>>
>>> Many New Yorkers were photographed in Central Park over the weekend
>>> enjoying the warm weather without proper nose and mouth coverings;
>>> similar scenarios have played out on Californian and Floridian beaches.
>>> What have political leaders said?
>>>
>>> On Monday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said it was "disrespectful"
>>> for people to refuse to wear a mask in public. "You can literally kill
>>> someone because you did not want to wear a mask. How cruel and
>>> irresponsible would that be?"
>>>
>>> But the mixed messages have come from the very top.
>>>
>>> At the same time as the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced new
>>> guidance that Americans should cover their faces in public to curb
>>> Covid-19's spread, President Donald Trump said it was "voluntary" and he
>>> himself would not do so.
>>>
>>> Then Vice-President Mike Pence was pictured visiting a health clinic
>>> without wearing one - which he later apologised for.
>>> Media captionTrump doesn't see face mask necessary behind 'the great
>>> Resolute desk'
>>> Why do so many Americans seem to have an issue with them?
>>>
>>> Emory University Global Health and Law Professor Polly Price says the
>>> situation in America now mirrors what happened during the 1918 Spanish
>>> flu outbreak.
>>>
>>> At the time, the US Surgeon General advised everyone to make and wear
>>> their own mask - just as instructions are now on the Centers for Disease
>>> Control's website, guides were sent to newspapers.
>>>
>>> "It was up to state and local governments whether they were going to
>>> require their populations to do it - not all did," she says.
>>>
>>> Some cities levied fines for people not wearing them.
>>>
>>> "There were very few court challenges, but they generally upheld the
>>> authority of local governments to have face mask ordinances," Prof Price
>>> says.
>>>
>>> "We do have a long tradition of individual rights, so even during the
>>> Spanish flu people would sue about the schools [being] closed. Or
>>> restaurants and bars were closed and people would sue about that and
>>> they routinely lost."
>>>
>>> In the same way that protesters have argued the lockdowns infringe their
>>> rights, much of the anti-mask rhetoric seems to come from the same well
>>> - American resistance to government mandates.
>>>
>>> Why so much US resistance to the lockdown?
>>>
>>> But Prof Price says requiring masks during a health crisis is not
>>> fundamentally different from other safety regulations.
>>>
>>> "I think that governors have extensive power to order measures that
>>> protect the public health," she says.
>>>
>>> "As long as they can show that connection, just based on our
>>> constitutional tradition, that would be upheld. It'd be a different
>>> question if the penalty was a year in jail for not wearing a mask."
>>> Why was health advice unclear for so long?
>>>
>>> Guidelines have been confusing, says Professor James Thomas of
>>> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Epidemiology.
>>>
>>> One reason for that was, initially, masks needed to be prioritised for
>>> medical workers, he told the BBC. Another reason was our unfamiliarity
>>> with the virus itself.
>>>
>>> "Over time, we're learning more about it, how it's transmitted,
>>> situations in which it is not transmitted and we're adjusting our
>>> recommendations based on what we learn."
>>>
>>> Prof Thomas says the learning has been particularly slow with Covid-19
>>> because of a lack of testing. But we know now that the novel coronavirus
>>> travels through droplets, like a sneeze in close quarters, rather than
>>> lingering in the air for long periods of time.
>>>
>>> Why we should all be wearing masks
>>>
>>> This is how masks can help.
>>>
>>> Prof Thomas says in one case study in a Chinese hospital, around 70
>>> individuals ended up being near a patient who was later found to have
>>> the virus. But, because the patient and everyone in the hospital were
>>> wearing masks, no one else contracted it.
>>>
>>> But not every face covering is created equal.
>>>
>>> If you're making your own, using a thick fabric - something where, if
>>> you hold it up to a light, you can't see through it - is best
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