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| DATE | 2020-04-29 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] good thing they are rushing (the vaccines)
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On 4/29/20 8:31 AM, Keren Ahava wrote:
> Type this in your search bar and you will just begin to see the information coming in from around the world
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> “patients in the UK with Corona autopsied and their lungs were filled with clotsâ€
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> You asked about aneurysm.
> The etiology of aneurysms is not the same as a patient whose clotting time is irregular, or who have a tendency to form clots.
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> An aneurysm develops because of the weakness in the wall of a blood vessel. The wall begins ballooning out, and just like a balloon, over time the weakened wall erupt’s. Unless this is caught, usually when the patient complains of extreme pain because of the aneurysm dissecting, or found by accident on a study, the patient dies. When the aneurysm begins to spread it’s called a dissecting aneurysm. Patients are put on blood thinners, To prevent clots that may have formed in the ballooned part of the vessel until they are rushed to surgery.
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> I’m sure you understand the physiology of clot formers in several other diseases since you dispense the medication.
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> It’s actually happened to my sister‘s husband who had a carotid aneurysm erupt and who died immediately. Very sad. Was about 10 years ago.
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> Patients with certain cardiac arrhythmias also are Clot formers.
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> My father who is 92 years old takes blood thinners for his arrhythmia and also because he had prior open-heart surgery so the risk for a clot killing him is very high.
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> This also may be what saved him from any complications from corona because any sort of clotting in a patient like him is deadly.
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> This is why patients who are elderly and wind up in the ICU do so poorly. They are the most frail and weak. The fact that the corona patients have been forming clots is very relevant to the high mortality.
> It’s even more interesting and relevant that it’s now spreading into the younger patients who are also vulnerable if they are smokers or vapors of anything.
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> You would think this newest information would spark more research, But the fact is it’s not because the cure for clotting is very inexpensive.
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> The drugs that you mentioned are very expensive and there’s really no need to spend that kind of money to thin a patient’s blood.
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> No one could accuse a pharmacist from getting in the way, But surely you understand big pharmacy companies are as crooked as the letter “Yâ€
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> They want expensive drugs.
> They want expensive vaccines which will take way too long.
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> When I saw Bill Gates getting into the business of pharmaceuticals and forcing people to take vaccines that his companies supports and produces it made me very suspect.
> His photo is all over the Internet of him giving vaccines to kids in The third world. I worked in Africa and it’s extremely unprofessional For a lay person to be giving vaccinations for a lay person to be giving any medical treatment.
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> I detest his arrogance at thinking that he is the great white hope. And I detest even more his arrogance of believing globalism is the answer.
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> To get back to corona, they should be treating patients for these clots that they’re forming and have magically appeared in every autopsy. If the powers that be want to focus on a vaccine that’s their choice. But physicians and all practitioners must be educated as to how to treat patients who are forming these clots and do not ventilate them.
> No sane physician would put a patient on a ventilator who has a pulmonary embolism. Not without at least giving them blood thinners first.
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> This was the real reason the mortality rate was so high in Italy and Spain. And the United States mistakenly followed the medical model of Europe.
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> I am currently living in New York.
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> Like everyone I am on lockdown, but I noticed day after day more people getting out.
I had to go to the Bronx yesterday and it was the first time I had seen
an uptick to trafic. It is still nothing. On the way home on monday I
walked from Grand Central to Canal street. While Fordon was packed,
Lexington Avenue is sadly shutdown. All of little India, Yeshiva
University, Baruch, Gramarcy was empty. The vegitable market at Union
Square was open (yeah they would do that if this was a real medical
emergency).
>
> Frankly I believe the social distancing and closing of the borders help to stem the tide of corona. As I mentioned earlier, the use of masks and gloves by laypeople made many of them very cavalier about their behavior and they did not use the equipment properly.
I think it is stupid and it feeds the terror that people feel. Masks
should be limited to store clerks, MYA workers, etc. Maybe while you
are on the Subway IF necessary.
>
> I keep pushing for teaching people handwashing correctly and to stay home if you’re sick out of respect to everyone else.
>
Nobody is going to correctl wash hands, outside of the medical profession.
> Throughout this virus I visited a husband and wife married 60 yrs to check on them, they were in better shape than most young people I know. They were walking the stairs in their building to stay physically healthy. They were eating properly. And what got them out of the house were their two dogs they own.
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> They are under extreme hardship because of all the money they lost in their real estate business. At this time in their lives this is causing more strife. Corona is causing more mental hardships for people than the disease itself.
>
:(
> Luckily for my daughter in Spain things are now turning around and people are allowed outside again.
>
Spain has quietly been one of the places hit the hardest, and largely
because of the aging population and inferior healthcare system.
People keep asking why Germany has limited deaths better than Italy.
Part of it is testing but more so it is that Gemramy's medical system
was ramped up for the event before it took root, and it wasn't stripped
bare naked like in the US.
> I hope that all people learned a valuable lesson about not going out when you are sick. Up until this point people have ignored the fact that it’s not OK to send sick children to school or to go to work and infect your fellow coworkers.
> If anyone asks my opinion, which doesn’t hold much power since I’m just a lowly anesthetist, I tell them to socially distance from people you don’t know, wash your hands often with real soap and a scrub brush. And if you are from a high risk group and you are not taking an aspirin a day, start right away. as long as your physician is OK with it, and you don’t have any issues with bleeding already, ulcers etc.
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> It’s all commonsense which unfortunately is not all that common.
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The non-common sense part is immunology. The idea that we can actually
prevent spread over time with a virus with a R0 - 3+ is patently insane.
This virus is not going away... probably ever.
If we are going to lock down, the FIRST question should have been asked
should have been, "For how long". More than 2 weeks is useless, and a
global lockdown is an unconscousable abussive act.
> Stay healthy Ruben.
> Get out and get some fresh air. We’re all tired of living in a petri dish.
>
I want to be on a boat fishing, and a train in Lake Placid, and having
drinks at the Blue Note...
I want my life back.
> All the best to your family.
> BTW, I have 11 grandchildren now and one on the way. Life has surely changed.
>
:)
I only have 3
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 29, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>
>> 
>> One more thing... the women who some might think uses capital letters is
>> a Nurse Anesthesiaologist who spent good part of her life working with
>> Doctors without Boarders... threating patients and populations in Africa.
>>
>> Karen, meet, Rick. Rick, meet Karen.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Side note to Liz -
>> I've been told today that Pharmacists aren't experts on vaccinations so
>> our opinion doesn't hold much weight....
>>
>> Just for reference, I point out the paper that Liz and I wrong on
>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com/
>>
>> to continue on this thread...
>>
>> On to Karen...
>>
>>> On 4/28/20 8:09 PM, Karen Perilman wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ruben,
>>> It’s been a long time since we spoke,
>>
>> That is your fault! I periodically send you email :)
>>
>>> And I must tell you, this message you sent came as a surprise,
>>
>> Call me when you have time 718-715-1771
>>
>>>
>>> First of all, the patients that were first largely infected in Europe, Italy and Spain were knee jerk treated with intubation and ventilation.
>>> I say knee jerk, because never before had they seen so many people with the same symptoms in mass like this.
>>>
>>> Never mind the Chinese allowed 5 million INFECTED people to leave China up to Jan 20th and go to work in Italy and Spain, the fashion center.
>>> How do i know, because my daughter is the head senior designer for women in Spain for the company Zara. They have so many Chinese working there, and their industry is in the HUB of China.
>>>
>>> And in October 18-19th the International militaries all met in Wuhan for the WUhan games for 100 COUNTRIES. ANd when the games were over, all those 100 countries became infected.....
>>>
>>> Now, go back to where we were....
>>> All these people presenting with Shortness of breath we MISDIAGNOSED FROM THE GET GO.
>>> WHy do I say this, because maybe you forgot I am an anesthetist.
>>
>>
>> I haven't forgotten anything. Are you in New York now?
>>
>>> The presentation of SOB was way off the standards of evaluation for SOB.
>>> The Corona is a virus that spread thru droplets as does EVERY OTHER VIRUS.
>>> But we never reacted like this before.
>>
>> I say this until I am blue in the face. We have NEVER reacted like this
>> to even Small Pox!!
>>
>>
>>> Here is why we shouldn’t have.
>>> I spoke with the head oncologist at a NY Cancer hospital....
>>> I also spoke with the head neurologist at Northwell Hospitals and all of us said the same thing.
>>>
>>
>> We've been working with St Barbaus and they just said the same thing in
>> the NY Post today,,
>>
>>> The SOB from Corona patients was unlike a person with pneumonia or ARDS.
>>> Patients were talking and even on the phones, and showing low Puse OX readings.
>>> In Italy they didn’t have the time to asses as they were barraged with patients,
>>> They ran out of ventilators when that was ACTUALLY what was killing people.
>>> Sick lungs under PEEP and ventilation only causes more problems and patients vaso constrict and organs shut down, and FAST, especially in the elderly.
>>
>> This I didn't know and I don't understand. The ICU is packed in the
>> Bronx with people on vents undergoing ID evaluation. In the end, there
>> is not much I can do for them other than take the states and track
>> infection. Infection contol on the floors is the biggest problem we have.
>>
>>>
>>> But in the US, NO ONE took the time to look at the reason people were SOB and they ASSUMED it was a viral infection, Corona.....
>>>
>>> BIG MISTAKE!
>>> Now, looking back, we know now, that after autopsies, the patients lungs and bodies were filled with CLOTS!!!
>>
>> Bilateral Granularity on the Xrays. We don't even need testing for
>> this. It is a presumptive diagnosis already.
>>
>> The patients were actually acting like someone with pulmonary embolism.
>> The clots killed people with heart attacks and Strokes!!!!
>>>
>>> So where did this information take the doctors who were in the know.
>>> In NY and the UK, they started realizing that the patients who were on blood thinners and anti inflammatories had NO clots and they were mildly sick and got better.
>>
>>> Those patients, in particular were Cancer patients who as you know are compromised immunologically.
>>>
>>
>> I have data clearly showing me that pts on Chemo and with advanced
>> cancer don't survive this. They won't even ventolate those patients at
>> this point. So please explain this further.
>>
>> BTW - the virus attacks clotting factors, and causes prolong PT times,
>> but frankly, that is common with cytosine storms, so I am not convinced
>> of that data.
>>
>>> They tested the patients clotting times and saw the proof in the blood.
>>> Waiting for a vaccine to kill a virus that will be obsolete in a year is ridiculous when we know how to treat the patients NOW.
>>>
>>> If someone presents to the ER with SOB, they should have been assessed to rule out for clots.
>>>
>>> A retro study, and a study that moves forward should be done immediately,
>>> BUT because the cure for the clots is CHEAP, no one is going to recommend ASPIRIN or Azithromycin because they won’t be able to make MONEY.
>>>
>>
>> This has been a recurring problem. It is almost like they are purposely
>> misusing Hydroxychloroquin, which can only work in the early phase of
>> the disease, in order to make way for other thearpies, and those
>> therapies, Remdesivir, Kaletra, Nitazoxanide, Tocilizumab, etc. All of
>> them cost over $2K per treatment. My friend Maya, who is a PharmD, she
>> was big on this point. They are not acting in a way that is consistant
>> with a disease that shuts down civilization. They are telling us we are
>> in moral danger and the numbers don't bare it out and they aren't acting
>> like it is that serious.
>>
>>> The mayor NY and the governor are 100% assholes.
>>> We have NEVER quarantined in the history of illness HEALTHY PEOPLE!!
>>> Sick people yes, and they should be isolated at home.
>>
>> It is unbelievable. Never in my lifetime could I have ever imagined this.
>>
>>
>>> If you go to any NY hospital now in the city, if you show ANY signs of SOB you are intubated and you DIE!!!! They do not resuscitate anyone suspected of corona!!
>>> That’s insane..... If the reason people are dying are the clots, they NO ONE should be intubated and they should emergently be give blood thinners.
>>>
>>> The elderly are being treated like disposable spoilers of this virus. They die alone and it’s criminal.
>>>
>>
>> How do you then prevent an anurism..
>>
>>
>>> I will not fall for the BS of waiting for a vaccine, because patients being treated right now with the new paradigm are surviving and getting better quicker.
>>>
>>> No patient population compares to the cancer patients who were found to be Safe from the extreme sickness of Corona because so many of their patients were on blood thinners.
>>> The evidence is there.
>>> Even the Young patients that died, died from Strokes.!!!
>>> No one is talking about the patients that contracted corona who were described as “healthy†who SMOKE; it is a joke. Smokers are NOT healthy, not if they smoke anything, pot, vaping or cigarettes.
>>> I see people on the streets with masks and gloves SMOKING and it’s a joke.
>>> THey are blowing Corona and adding to the contaminating of all of us.
>>> I see people wearing masks and gloves throwing them in the streets, not using them properly, and I tell them, will all this costuming, they would never be allowed in the ICU to work because they have no idea how to used sterile masks and gloves.
>>>
>>> If you want to be mad, get mad with the medical system in NY fueled by political idiots that want to see the economy fail, so they can blame politics.
>>> Even Fauci, that “Statistician†is out of the loop. He hasn’t practiced medicine in 20 yrs!! And he is nothing but an accountant for the numbers that other people give him.
>>>
>>> THis is BS, I don’t give a shit about politics...
>>> I do care that we are being used for this political experiment.
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>>
>> 100%
>>
>>
>>> The economy should have NEVER been shut down.
>>
>>
>> A strong economy is our leading weapon to fight the disease.
>>
>>
>>> It’s laughable that all the markets and stores that are open are crowded and no one has stopped shopping.
>>>
>>> Maybe they should try putting the voter machines in Target or Walmart.....
>>> Then we could vote out these morons that crashed our economy when the answer to save people was right under our noses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> We wouldn't want to distribute anything until we are absolutely sure it
>>>> is safe, because WTF!! 11K are already dead in NYC alone and 23million
>>>> are on indefinite lockdown!
>>>>
>>>> Take your time boys. Make sure you get it right..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Wall Street Journal today:
>>>>
>>>> Pfizer could start distributing a possible vaccine on an emergency basis
>>>> in the fall if all testing proves successful.
>>>> Photo: Sipa USA via AP
>>>> By Jared S. Hopkins
>>>> April 28, 2020 1:14 pm ET
>>>>
>>>> Pfizer Inc. PFE -1.10% said Tuesday it could have a coronavirus vaccine
>>>> ready for use on an emergency basis in the fall if it proves to work
>>>> safely in testing.
>>>>
>>>> Testing of the vaccine, which has already started in Germany, could
>>>> start in the U.S. as early as next week if health regulators sign off,
>>>> Pfizer Chief Executive Albert Bourla said in an interview. Results from
>>>> the study could come as early as next month, Mr. Bourla said.
>>>>
>>>> Pfizer would need to do more testing to make sure the vaccine works
>>>> safely. If all testing proves successful, Pfizer could start
>>>> distributing the vaccine on an emergency basis in the fall and receive
>>>> approval for widespread distribution by year’s end, Mr. Bourla said.
>>>>
>>>> “This is a crisis right now, and a solution is desperately needed by
>>>> all,†Mr. Bourla said.
>>>> --
>>>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
>>>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>>>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>>>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>>>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>>>>
>>>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>>>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>>
>>
>> --
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>>
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>>
>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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