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| DATE | 2020-04-29 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] good thing they are rushing (the vaccines)
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On 4/29/20 9:59 AM, Carolinedliny wrote:
> I don't know that everything here is accurate, I talk to my colleagues
> in the ICU and they tell me they are putting pts on heparin drips, they
> are using 100% oxygen, and/or high flow o2 in an attempt to prevent
> hypoxia/desat without using mechanical ventilation
>
I'm not certain that these two things are inconsistant. First of all,
Heparin is not a Thrombolytic, so it is nto going to break clots down,
but prevents growth of new clots. That would be consitant with what
Keren is saying. However, real clot busters, for pulmonary embolism,
streptokinase and friends, are they being used at all. The granularity
is being SEEN on the xrays.
Regardless, why are shut down? My college at St Barnabas has been
begrudging this from the beginning, rightfully so, and he is at ground
zero of this virus in the Bronx.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruben Safir
> To: Karen Perilman ; Hangout ; Liz
> Moore
> Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 2:53 am
> Subject: Re: good thing they are rushing (the vaccines)
>
>
> One more thing... the women who some might think uses capital letters is
> a Nurse Anesthesiaologist who spent good part of her life working with
> Doctors without Boarders... threating patients and populations in Africa.
>
> Karen, meet, Rick. Rick, meet Karen.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Side note to Liz -
> I've been told today that Pharmacists aren't experts on vaccinations so
> our opinion doesn't hold much weight....
>
> Just for reference, I point out the paper that Liz and I wrong on
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com/
>
> to continue on this thread...
>
> On to Karen...
>
> On 4/28/20 8:09 PM, Karen Perilman wrote:
>> 
>> Ruben,
>> It’s been a long time since we spoke,
>
> That is your fault! I periodically send you email :)
>
>> And I must tell you, this message you sent came as a surprise,
>
> Call me when you have time 718-715-1771
>
>>
>> First of all, the patients that were first largely infected in Europe,
> Italy and Spain were knee jerk treated with intubation and ventilation.
>> I say knee jerk, because never before had they seen so many people
> with the same symptoms in mass like this.
>>
>> Never mind the Chinese allowed 5 million INFECTED people to leave
> China up to Jan 20th and go to work in Italy and Spain, the fashion center.
>> How do i know, because my daughter is the head senior designer for
> women in Spain for the company Zara. They have so many Chinese working
> there, and their industry is in the HUB of China.
>>
>> And in October 18-19th the International militaries all met in Wuhan
> for the WUhan games for 100 COUNTRIES. ANd when the games were over,
> all those 100 countries became infected.....
>>
>> Now, go back to where we were....
>> All these people presenting with Shortness of breath we MISDIAGNOSED
> FROM THE GET GO.
>> WHy do I say this, because maybe you forgot I am an anesthetist.
>
>
> I haven't forgotten anything. Are you in New York now?
>
>> The presentation of SOB was way off the standards of evaluation for SOB.
>> The Corona is a virus that spread thru droplets as does EVERY OTHER VIRUS.
>> But we never reacted like this before.
>
> I say this until I am blue in the face. We have NEVER reacted like this
> to even Small Pox!!
>
>
>> Here is why we shouldn’t have.
>> I spoke with the head oncologist at a NY Cancer hospital....
>> I also spoke with the head neurologist at Northwell Hospitals and all
> of us said the same thing.
>>
>
> We've been working with St Barbaus and they just said the same thing in
> the NY Post today,,
>
>> The SOB from Corona patients was unlike a person with pneumonia or ARDS.
>> Patients were talking and even on the phones, and showing low Puse OX
> readings.
>> In Italy they didn’t have the time to asses as they were
> barraged with patients,
>> They ran out of ventilators when that was ACTUALLY what was killing
> people.
>> Sick lungs under PEEP and ventilation only causes more problems and
> patients vaso constrict and organs shut down, and FAST, especially in
> the elderly.
>
> This I didn't know and I don't understand. The ICU is packed in the
> Bronx with people on vents undergoing ID evaluation. In the end, there
> is not much I can do for them other than take the states and track
> infection. Infection contol on the floors is the biggest problem we have.
>
>>
>> But in the US, NO ONE took the time to look at the reason people were
> SOB and they ASSUMED it was a viral infection, Corona.....
>>
>> BIG MISTAKE!
>> Now, looking back, we know now, that after autopsies, the patients
> lungs and bodies were filled with CLOTS!!!
>
> Bilateral Granularity on the Xrays. We don't even need testing for
> this. It is a presumptive diagnosis already.
>
> The patients were actually acting like someone with pulmonary embolism.
> The clots killed people with heart attacks and Strokes!!!!
>>
>> So where did this information take the doctors who were in the know.
>> In NY and the UK, they started realizing that the patients who were on
> blood thinners and anti inflammatories had NO clots and they were mildly
> sick and got better.
>
>> Those patients, in particular were Cancer patients who as you know are
> compromised immunologically.
>>
>
> I have data clearly showing me that pts on Chemo and with advanced
> cancer don't survive this. They won't even ventolate those patients at
> this point. So please explain this further.
>
> BTW - the virus attacks clotting factors, and causes prolong PT times,
> but frankly, that is common with cytosine storms, so I am not convinced
> of that data.
>
>> They tested the patients clotting times and saw the proof in the blood.
>> Waiting for a vaccine to kill a virus that will be obsolete in a year
> is ridiculous when we know how to treat the patients NOW.
>>
>> If someone presents to the ER with SOB, they should have been assessed
> to rule out for clots.
>>
>> A retro study, and a study that moves forward should be done immediately,
>> BUT because the cure for the clots is CHEAP, no one is going to
> recommend ASPIRIN or Azithromycin because they won’t be able to
> make MONEY.
>>
>
> This has been a recurring problem. It is almost like they are purposely
> misusing Hydroxychloroquin, which can only work in the early phase of
> the disease, in order to make way for other thearpies, and those
> therapies, Remdesivir, Kaletra, Nitazoxanide, Tocilizumab, etc. All of
> them cost over $2K per treatment. My friend Maya, who is a PharmD, she
> was big on this point. They are not acting in a way that is consistant
> with a disease that shuts down civilization. They are telling us we are
> in moral danger and the numbers don't bare it out and they aren't acting
> like it is that serious.
>
>> The mayor NY and the governor are 100% assholes.
>> We have NEVER quarantined in the history of illness HEALTHY PEOPLE!!
>> Sick people yes, and they should be isolated at home.
>
> It is unbelievable. Never in my lifetime could I have ever imagined this.
>
>
>> If you go to any NY hospital now in the city, if you show ANY signs
> of SOB you are intubated and you DIE!!!! They do not resuscitate anyone
> suspected of corona!!
>> That’s insane..... If the reason people are dying are the
> clots, they NO ONE should be intubated and they should emergently be
> give blood thinners.
>>
>> The elderly are being treated like disposable spoilers of this virus.
> They die alone and it’s criminal.
>>
>
> How do you then prevent an anurism..
>
>
>> I will not fall for the BS of waiting for a vaccine, because patients
> being treated right now with the new paradigm are surviving and getting
> better quicker.
>>
>> No patient population compares to the cancer patients who were found
> to be Safe from the extreme sickness of Corona because so many of their
> patients were on blood thinners.
>> The evidence is there.
>> Even the Young patients that died, died from Strokes.!!!
>> No one is talking about the patients that contracted corona who were
> described as “healthy†who SMOKE; it is a joke. Smokers are
> NOT healthy, not if they smoke anything, pot, vaping or cigarettes.
>> I see people on the streets with masks and gloves SMOKING and
> it’s a joke.
>> THey are blowing Corona and adding to the contaminating of all of us.
>> I see people wearing masks and gloves throwing them in the streets,
> not using them properly, and I tell them, will all this costuming, they
> would never be allowed in the ICU to work because they have no idea how
> to used sterile masks and gloves.
>>
>> If you want to be mad, get mad with the medical system in NY fueled by
> political idiots that want to see the economy fail, so they can blame
> politics.
>> Even Fauci, that “Statistician†is out of the loop. He
> hasn’t practiced medicine in 20 yrs!! And he is nothing but an
> accountant for the numbers that other people give him.
>>
>> THis is BS, I don’t give a shit about politics...
>> I do care that we are being used for this political experiment.
>
>
> 100%
>
>
>> The economy should have NEVER been shut down.
>
>
> A strong economy is our leading weapon to fight the disease.
>
>
>> It’s laughable that all the markets and stores that are open
> are crowded and no one has stopped shopping.
>>
>> Maybe they should try putting the voter machines in Target or Walmart.....
>> Then we could vote out these morons that crashed our economy when the
> answer to save people was right under our noses.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Ruben Safir > > wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> We wouldn't want to distribute anything until we are absolutely sure it
>>> is safe, because WTF!! 11K are already dead in NYC alone and 23million
>>> are on indefinite lockdown!
>>>
>>> Take your time boys. Make sure you get it right..
>>>
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Wall Street Journal today:
>>>
>>> Pfizer could start distributing a possible vaccine on an emergency basis
>>> in the fall if all testing proves successful.
>>> Photo: Sipa USA via AP
>>> By Jared S. Hopkins
>>> April 28, 2020 1:14 pm ET
>>>
>>> Pfizer Inc. PFE -1.10% said Tuesday it could have a coronavirus vaccine
>>> ready for use on an emergency basis in the fall if it proves to work
>>> safely in testing.
>>>
>>> Testing of the vaccine, which has already started in Germany, could
>>> start in the U.S. as early as next week if health regulators sign off,
>>> Pfizer Chief Executive Albert Bourla said in an interview. Results from
>>> the study could come as early as next month, Mr. Bourla said.
>>>
>>> Pfizer would need to do more testing to make sure the vaccine works
>>> safely. If all testing proves successful, Pfizer could start
>>> distributing the vaccine on an emergency basis in the fall and receive
>>> approval for widespread distribution by year’s end, Mr. Bourla
> said.
>>>
>>> “This is a crisis right now, and a solution is desperately
> needed by
>>> all,†Mr. Bourla said.
>>> --
>>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
>>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
>>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
>>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>>>
>>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development
> in Free Software
>>> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>>>
>>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
>>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
>
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in
> Free Software
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
--
So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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