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DATE | 2020-04-27 |
FROM | Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Nonfree JS (was: Free Software and Open
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Mon Apr 27 12:17:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F38163F7A; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from mail-wm1-f52.google.com (mail-wm1-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EC9163F63 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f52.google.com with SMTP id h4so252986wmb.4 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:17:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=YxknJzv3wUFltXT3jTu2aC8cDAiKZjcN4zCm+LTNtiI=; b=P8Ld/RKqxup0q4DoP1epoGZFCRKUyB1dLyz9b3V9TOyt8TNW6gM1E49kY8PTYna2wf KdFQaYalJPXtv9svKBir/Utips7TpUC+g2NomG4t27PnuQUx34lIuBwX7HiGWYDovS6D seVKwy+jTzWAohtx4ORCUuy8ZcrU30Dtpnd6YivxxtXKgDOVeLM6F2RrOYkWnyuwvbBO BTKHinp3ugoM2r0n98kI35ypM7Qlo0Lrzdoh77KSsOGou6pYZyfJ6Lmc/ijpfBiwQJTn mcrVN7Bo4h4Af2P1jNn8WB/IQGfJ3fR4Nbt3fzEpsk48qR9EH9T3yXOCkEycTMth9PDa 9LKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=YxknJzv3wUFltXT3jTu2aC8cDAiKZjcN4zCm+LTNtiI=; b=C5xUI6lHiNYsGDexQ1mijULd7PFUwBCdR+W8B2gquILSBAQb4+YaKvGfOE4RnYc8ku 8g/Mt9UOV9Hs9HrPkR/LO2YtiT5PLWJ9eDPM3ZcP6Ny+gyCJoE2oauSLlSeg1A4YbIlo tRr2v3jlHBEw7xfmeRmqlW0/YsAQbBV/gAGkw7EB7qHXTlBS2NLLrqSzyuEO8bLTQSrV QB3FxFcrcaSKP2vlESSOu9P8z69aQZ1W5nVNVlTuo+B9O1CYsIIzRnCL8CrEvBfXU9Bg n9IFfVNl8qULzZEF2imSDvteUZH5PpdnruZQ3SpzhH1lU0K8sQFteFNRR+xvzMKyGmnd pDuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubnwzuqRvcwBaoHQbJ8PK2MrsF4bVYYEsDYVDwBKfHHGQKbSI1g 1BLNba4zMqVkWi91B3AgOzwyBl3J X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKwE17vVyPevH01Poqgvi8UQFQ4OhpybPR5OlZ2ZQp+ElYuMGvRVjIQtzovALe4ThCgPtoV7Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:2314:: with SMTP id 20mr281488wmo.118.1588004245305; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([89.39.107.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d13sm16078255wmb.39.2020.04.27.09.17.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:17:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> To: Ruben Safir In-Reply-To: <20200427135311.GA9677-at-panix.com> (Ruben Safir's message of "Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:53:11 -0400") References: <761ce4d9-23de-cc2a-9168-17341a0de113-at-mrbrklyn.com> <20200427135311.GA9677-at-panix.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.91 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 19:17:16 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Nonfree JS (was: Free Software and Open Scholarship - together again!) X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Hangout Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2131856796==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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Ruben Safir wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:44:26PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> Ruben Safir wrote: >> > https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/2kxq8 >>=20 >> | For full functionality of this site it is necessary to enable JavaScri= pt. Here are instructions for enabling JavaScript in your web browser. >>=20 >> By running a bunch of nonfree javascripts we can found out that a direct= ly usable link to the paper would be nothing more than https://osf.io/prepr= ints/socarxiv/2kxq8/download
> I don't think the javascrip[ts are] limited by license
I=CA=BCm not sure that the phrase =E2=80=98limited by licence=E2=80=99 make= s much sense at all. How can one limit something by a _permission_?
> although I was puzzled as to why bother with it at all.
Indeed, people are generally puzzled when they are told about software free= dom. And I do not think I am good at introducing them to the topic.
If one is aware of the issues of nonfree software, though, then _I_ am deep= ly puzzled, how he can not be bothered about:
a) relying on programs that are not only stripping the user of all the usua= l freedoms (to use for any purpose, to modify, to distribute...), but on to= p of that are denying even a freedom that was unquestionable by the most ev= il software proprietors only 15 years ago =E2=80=94 a right to posses a cop= y and, for instance, to stick with certain version and never update;
b) steering others towards running such programs.
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Ruben Safir wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:44:26PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> Ruben Safir wrote: >> > https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/2kxq8 >>=20 >> | For full functionality of this site it is necessary to enable JavaScri= pt. Here are instructions for enabling JavaScript in your web browser. >>=20 >> By running a bunch of nonfree javascripts we can found out that a direct= ly usable link to the paper would be nothing more than https://osf.io/prepr= ints/socarxiv/2kxq8/download
> I don't think the javascrip[ts are] limited by license
I=CA=BCm not sure that the phrase =E2=80=98limited by licence=E2=80=99 make= s much sense at all. How can one limit something by a _permission_?
> although I was puzzled as to why bother with it at all.
Indeed, people are generally puzzled when they are told about software free= dom. And I do not think I am good at introducing them to the topic.
If one is aware of the issues of nonfree software, though, then _I_ am deep= ly puzzled, how he can not be bothered about:
a) relying on programs that are not only stripping the user of all the usua= l freedoms (to use for any purpose, to modify, to distribute...), but on to= p of that are denying even a freedom that was unquestionable by the most ev= il software proprietors only 15 years ago =E2=80=94 a right to posses a cop= y and, for instance, to stick with certain version and never update;
b) steering others towards running such programs.
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