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| DATE | 2020-04-16 |
| FROM | Liz Moore
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Off the Hook: Wuhan(covid-19) virus and your
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Well said. China has never played fair- with anyone, including its own people. It manipulates it’s currency, encourages infanticide, boldly lies to everyone and wants global control. This isn’t new- Been going on centuries.
As a nation EVERY sitting president since Reagan has loosened economic control measures & increased globalism. We outsource jobs & products. So now we have an over educated population with nothing to do & no money to spend. Brilliant. It made big business rich though.
In fairness I’m not touting a socialist economy. I’ve seen too many family members ‘using the system’. I believe a socialist America would be a very lazy America. I personally don’t won’t to work so I can help pay for a slacker. I’m totally for appropriate social services, helping the indigent change their situation, caring for the disabled and making sure our elderly don’t die in the gutter. Schools should be the best in the world!
Our healthcare - I believe is the best in the world. Hell, Mick Jagger had his heart surgery at NYU. Of course he paid cash. I truly don’t know how to fix healthcare. Making it universal would make us like Western Europe. It’s a great idea to socialize medicine but the cost is massive. Our standard of living would shift massively- the middle class I mean. Taxes would push 60%. Again do I work like a crazy person to rent a modest apartment so someone else can work less for the same lifestyle. Hmmm.
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> On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> You have the analysis COMPLETELY wrong with regards to this virus.
>
> None of the nations that thus far got this under control, which is
> nobody actually if you understand epidemiology, did so with nationwide
> lock downs. They did it the hard way, buy tracking the disease, and
> isolating infectious pockets and sources, just as they did in the old
> days, but with more technology. And your over playing the deadliness of
> this virus. As a fact, if you go by the science, this is a moderately
> deadly virus, on the scale of pre-vacination measles, and purtusis.
> Look it up on Wikipedia if your uncertain of this. This virus, while
> deadly, is not the kind of disease that should shutdown western
> civilization. That is just hysterical propaganda. Saying that it will
> kill millions of 'souls', that is just not that unusual for diseases,
> not historically, or even currently. Medical people deal with death
> from disease all the time, every day.
>
> The universal lock up is very unhealthy for people. It results in
> deaths and suffering. The economic disaster we currently are suffering
> from will also kill people and make them suffer. The most important
> facet in protecting ourselves from a virus like this is a rapid response
> with a strong economy. Without that, we are just fodder for the virus.
>
> It also doesn't take a genius to understand that if the virus is exposed
> to lockdown, it will just return. NOBODY argues this fact. In fact, it
> will mutate and return worst than currently, because the only virus
> mutations that survive will last longer in the open air, and have other
> means to transmission that overcomes our method. Also, versions of the
> virus that are most deadly propage themselves in hospitals. So, what we
> are doing is a time bomb. Not only is our strategy not going to work,
> but it will perpetuate itself as the "New Normal", and it will become
> increasingly easier to transmit and increasingly virulent. And then
> there are animal reservoirs, which is never discussed in the media. And
> then there is the NEXT virus. Accepting this as the "new Normal" is a
> dangerous precedent, and I will not accept it.
>
> You need to ask yourself how long we are going to be willing to undergo
> isolation because of a virus, that at worst has a mortality rate of
> 0.67% of the total population? 6 months? A year? What about the young
> children who are going through vital social development at this time?
> There are a generation of 6 month olds and year old children that need
> to have vital social interaction in order to properly and healthy
> develop? How much longer can our mothers and families suffer under this
> duress?
>
> I was surprised to hear your broadcast in support for this hysteria and
> blaming the President. Whether in favor of Trump, or against him, no
> other administration would have, up until now, handled this much
> differently. You may not be focused on this currently, but both
> Presidents and hospital morbidity and mortality boards constantly get
> memos about catastrophic scenarios. We are increasingly looking at a
> political situation much like Ah Pook the Destroyer[1]. The only means
> of protecting ourselves is not to isolate ourselves, but increase
> spending on healthcare, hospital beds, vaccination technology, and good
> old fashion nursing. That, and shutting down trade with Communist China
> which continues to perpetuate conditions that encourage the exposure to
> the world of these kind of diseases, which stamps on human rights, rapes
> the environment, and represses their own people, and are directly
> culpable for this pandemic, are what we should do to to prevent this
> from happening again. But no one was willing to close down trade with
> China. Are you proposing that?
>
> We do need more science. We do not need more hysteria. And we don't
> need our myopically focused 'experts' making broad decisions and to be
> in charge of the messaging. It is terrible that millions of people will
> die of this disease, but it is not particularly unusual, and it is not
> cause to shut down all of civilization.
>
> We do need to take reasonable precautions not to aggravate the damage
> from this disease. We can't, however, be shutting down everyone forever
> in the desperate hope that this virus will then just 'go away'. This is
> a dangerous fantasy fed by misunderstanding the data. Quarantines have
> diminishing returns. Vaccinations, Sanitation, and anti-microbial drug
> are the tools used to fight infectious disease. People need to
> understand this virus is NEVER going away and the best tools we have to
> fight this virus is a healthy social structure, sound economics, and
> support for the working class, who is taking this on the chin the worst.
> We can't accomplish that by staying holed up in our homes. In
> addition, human beings can't do this anyway.
>
> You Do, I hope, understand that people can not remain locked up in their
> houses for long periods of time, especially in highly urbanized
> societies that function through human interdependence. This is not a
> Jeffersonian utopia of yeoman farmers living independently off the land,
> caucusing only on occasion when bartering our milk and cheese.
>
> All the social messaging in the world can't change that. The idea of
> using social messaging as a tool for repressing peoples freedoms is a
> tool of the left, one which China is well acquainted with. I openly
> oppose it. Human beings need their freedom more for then just for
> political needs and Democracy, but they also must have freedom for there
> mental health, and their fundamental humanity.
>
> This lockout needs to end... now. Government needs to get serious about
> getting vaccinations up and going as if people are going to die, because
> they are. They need to ramp up the hospital beds, as they are needed.
> They need to normalize the mortuaries, and the medical work shifts, to
> handle this up tick in Wuhan(covid-19) virus cases. And then we must
> reevaluate our economic relationship with China, and travel regulations
> with the far east, especially when it has to do with healthcare
> products, like drugs, masks and ventilators.
>
> For further comment on this please see http://www.brooklyn-liivng.com/
>
> Ruben Safir
>
> [1] Ah Pook is here - William S. Burroughs:
>
> We have a new type of rule now. Not one man rule, or rule of
> aristocracy, or plutocracy, but of small groups elevated to positions of
> absolute power by random pressures and subject to political and economic
> factors that leave little room for decision. They are representatives of
> abstract forces who’ve reached power through surrender of self. The
> iron-willed dictator is a thing of the past. There will be no more
> Stalins, no more Hitlers. The rulers of this most insecure of all worlds
> are rulers by accident inept, frightened pilots at the controls of a
> vast machine they cannot understand, calling in experts to tell them
> which buttons to push.
>
> --
> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com
>
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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