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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU
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On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 00:38:25 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>> Moderation of this list was taken over because moderators were supposed
>> to have been appointed by GNU leadership. That was a procedural error,
>> which was no fault of your own and I apologize for, and has since been
>> addressed so that it doesn't happen again.
>
> Which is a funny meta-discussion when the list is used to define what
> "GNU leadership" means :)
Yes, my phrasing was intentional.
I understand that you disagree with and want to change how GNU is
governed, but refusing to acknowledge the current leadership doesn't
change what it is.
>> > The FSF keeps ignoring our calls for a neutral discussion space.
>>=20
>> The FSF is not involved in GNU governance, so why should they provide
>> such a thing?
>
> Of course the FSF is involved in GNU governance. They raise money in
> the name of GNU, we assign copyright to the FSF, they hold all our
> assets, and they keep lists of people who may use those resources for
> which purposes. The FSF is the legal entity which runs GNU. We should
> coordinate governance issues with the FSF. There are lots of issues
> which are the shared responsibility of GNU volunteers and the
> FSF. After discussions on this list we sent various of those issues to
> the FSF so we can better coordinate:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-12/msg00026.html
We're talking past one-another, which is unfortunate, because it makes
it difficult to have constructive conversation.
I do hope that in the near future the FSF will make a direct and
unambiguous statement on this matter, because I don't see any other way
to resolve this dispute.
=2D-=20
Mike Gerwitz
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On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 00:38:25 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>> Moderation of this list was taken over because moderators were supposed
>> to have been appointed by GNU leadership. That was a procedural error,
>> which was no fault of your own and I apologize for, and has since been
>> addressed so that it doesn't happen again.
>
> Which is a funny meta-discussion when the list is used to define what
> "GNU leadership" means :)
Yes, my phrasing was intentional.
I understand that you disagree with and want to change how GNU is
governed, but refusing to acknowledge the current leadership doesn't
change what it is.
>> > The FSF keeps ignoring our calls for a neutral discussion space.
>>=20
>> The FSF is not involved in GNU governance, so why should they provide
>> such a thing?
>
> Of course the FSF is involved in GNU governance. They raise money in
> the name of GNU, we assign copyright to the FSF, they hold all our
> assets, and they keep lists of people who may use those resources for
> which purposes. The FSF is the legal entity which runs GNU. We should
> coordinate governance issues with the FSF. There are lots of issues
> which are the shared responsibility of GNU volunteers and the
> FSF. After discussions on this list we sent various of those issues to
> the FSF so we can better coordinate:
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-12/msg00026.html
We're talking past one-another, which is unfortunate, because it makes
it difficult to have constructive conversation.
I do hope that in the near future the FSF will make a direct and
unambiguous statement on this matter, because I don't see any other way
to resolve this dispute.
=2D-=20
Mike Gerwitz
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