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DATE | 2020-02-28 |
FROM | Mike Gerwitz
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why the "social contract" should not be
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sat Feb 29 00:09:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B279B163FD0; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:09:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0324163FCC; Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:09:21 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 00:09:21 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20200229050921.GA3498-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from bios-living.com (unknown [96.57.23.85]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EF6164207 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by bios-living.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79EC918044D7A; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 23:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: gnu_news-at-bios-living.com Delivered-To: gnu_news-at-bios-living.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by bios-living.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB1318044D7A for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 23:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56764 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j7sfK-0002zh-8t for gnu_news-at-bios-living.com; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46211) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j7sfG-0002wW-NA for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7sfG-0004fx-Jk; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:42 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::1]:51245 helo=mikegerwitz-pc.gerwitz.local) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j7sfF-0006X9-TK; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:42 -0500 From: Mike Gerwitz To: Daniel Pocock In-Reply-To: <821f9187-7423-b4c5-7c13-cb9a88d3568a-at-pocock.pro> (Daniel Pocock's message of "Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:58:18 +0100") Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 22:19:20 -0500 Message-ID: <871rqeaxmv.fsf-at-gnu.org> References: <87tv3bjpih.fsf-at-gnu.org> <821f9187-7423-b4c5-7c13-cb9a88d3568a-at-pocock.pro> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) OpenPGP: id=D6E9B930028A6C38F43B2388FEF635745E6F6D05 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why the "social contract" should not be endorsed X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1689839794==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 08:58:18 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > The PsyOps techniques that large free software communities are now using > against volunteers, minimising people's views, misquoting/gaslighting, > scapegoating, shaming and emotional blackmail do as much harm or more > than physical violence.
I responded in private with some of my thoughts on your position.
My recommendation is to use less extreme and hyperbolic comparisons when conveying strong disagreements. If you consider these topics to represent instruments of suppression, you can say so in very different terms that can be discussed in kind and constructive ways.
=2D-=20 Mike Gerwitz Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer GPG: D6E9 B930 028A 6C38 F43B 2388 FEF6 3574 5E6F 6D05
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 08:58:18 +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > The PsyOps techniques that large free software communities are now using > against volunteers, minimising people's views, misquoting/gaslighting, > scapegoating, shaming and emotional blackmail do as much harm or more > than physical violence.
I responded in private with some of my thoughts on your position.
My recommendation is to use less extreme and hyperbolic comparisons when conveying strong disagreements. If you consider these topics to represent instruments of suppression, you can say so in very different terms that can be discussed in kind and constructive ways.
=2D-=20 Mike Gerwitz Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer GPG: D6E9 B930 028A 6C38 F43B 2388 FEF6 3574 5E6F 6D05
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