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DATE | 2020-02-25 |
FROM | ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt)
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] State of the GNUnion 2020
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Tue Feb 25 06:45:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDF21641A2; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 06:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 817B916414A; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 06:44:49 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 06:44:49 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20200225114449.GH20401-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from bios-living.com (unknown [96.57.23.85]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF4E164131 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by bios-living.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDA018B10E9C; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 04:06:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: gnu_news-at-bios-living.com Delivered-To: gnu_news-at-bios-living.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by bios-living.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBBA18B10E9C for ; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 04:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50296 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6VFE-0003xQ-94 for gnu_news-at-bios-living.com; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44283) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j6VFB-0003xI-4w for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43329) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j6VFA-0007iG-Mg; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:04 -0500 Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j6VFA-0000n1-2Y; Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:04 -0500 From: ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) To: Samuel Thibault In-reply-to: <20200225075051.7uja4pbm36c2bf5u-at-function> (message from Samuel Thibault on Tue, 25 Feb 2020 08:50:51 +0100) References: <6e41c7c2-049c-4bb2-9c9e-8885de8736fb-at-yandex.ru> <20200224235509.azmafcag2dfbimb7-at-function> <7130718.I9BjuChmCU-at-galex-713.eu> <20200225075051.7uja4pbm36c2bf5u-at-function> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:07:04 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] State of the GNUnion 2020 X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1088757480==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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The text also says:
“ the GNU Project, which creates and distributes a software system that respects users' freedoms ”
There is a slightly confusion here, and implication that isn't the intent of the GNU project, I think.
Namley, "distribute a software system that respects user's freedom".
I am not clear what the meaning a "software system" that "respects user's freedom" means here, how does the _operating_system_ (assuming it is already free software) respect user rights?
That seems to be a technical goal, say by allowing easier ways to modify source code, writting "simpler" code that is easily understood by others, or by reducing obstacles like not needing a root user to do specific actions.
We might even decide on technical solution that might not at all lead to that -- say by eskewing ways that make it easier to load third-party modules in the inevitable situation that it might lead to propietery software doing something nasty.
While lofty goals worth striding for, I think they are slightly different than what the GNU project, and the GNU system are about.
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The text also says:
“ the GNU Project, which creates and distributes a software system that respects users' freedoms ”
There is a slightly confusion here, and implication that isn't the intent of the GNU project, I think.
Namley, "distribute a software system that respects user's freedom".
I am not clear what the meaning a "software system" that "respects user's freedom" means here, how does the _operating_system_ (assuming it is already free software) respect user rights?
That seems to be a technical goal, say by allowing easier ways to modify source code, writting "simpler" code that is easily understood by others, or by reducing obstacles like not needing a root user to do specific actions.
We might even decide on technical solution that might not at all lead to that -- say by eskewing ways that make it easier to load third-party modules in the inevitable situation that it might lead to propietery software doing something nasty.
While lofty goals worth striding for, I think they are slightly different than what the GNU project, and the GNU system are about.
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