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| DATE | 2020-02-24 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Harrassment on this list
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On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 03:42:04AM +0100, Alexandre François Garreau wrote:
> Le lundi 24 février 2020, 03:26:17 CET DJ Delorie a écrit :
> > Alexandre François Garreau writes:
> > > Yet expressing it directly, without filter, it has already been
> > > said, is unkind.
> >
> > I agree, and I think this is a key point to understand. The FSF has
>
> Wait why “the FSF”? until now we were only speaking about GNU, not about
> the FSF.
>
Just another one of these left handed lies
>
> > stated that it will accept work from anyone regardless of what they
> > BELIEVE.
>
> This is strange as I never saw a such statement from FSF. FSF is a
> politically non-neutral charity, it would be to be expected from its
> member (not necessarily to its donators, such as google/etc.) to uphold
> and believe in their values. This is like charities work… and why most of
> them work by voting of their members.
>
> > Kindness is about what people SAY. I don't think there's a
> > conflict there.
>
> There still can be, if you are picky: because you can *believe* things
> about what you say: you can believe about the meaning you intent, about
> the meaning you understand, about the meaning you want to convey, about
> the meaning you believe is important conveying, about what is correct to
> say or not, what is kind or not, etc.
>
> “say” is pretty much near “think”, because we think with words pretty much
> often, and we say what we think also often (otherwise we are secret (it’s
> a cultural and personality trait) or lying/hypocritical).
>
> Yet there is “do” which is much further from what we say. This is the
> kind of thing such obligations are about.
>
> > You can believe in something and choose not to talk about it if you know
> > the audience would react poorly to what you say or how you say it, that
> > is kindness.
>
> It is also intelligence x)
>
> > Choosing to say something that would hurt someone else is
> > unkind, even if you belive it is true.
>
> It depends of your relationship with the person, and what you believe the
> result will be. Personally, I will always want to know what people
> believe about me, even if it hurts. I would be all too scared to one day
> be surprised about something people thought, or even told in my back,
> about me, all that time, and never told me, until it, one day, have
> practical consequences I wouldn’t ever had the time to act upon…
>
> > It's not about what you
> > believe, it's about how you choose to talk about that belief.
> > Communication happens best when both sides choose carefully how they
> > communicate.
>
> Good point.
>
> > I have never heard the FSF say "we'll accept patches from anyone, no
> > matter how they behave on our mailing lists".
>
> FSF can’t accept patch, as far as I know they don’t run any software
> project… do they? maybe their website can be considered as one… but do
> they update it with patches?
>
> Anyway from what I heard FSF’s mailing-lists are more harshely censored
> than GNU’s one.
>
> However a patch is a better example of “do” which is further from “think”
> and even “say”… but I find shocking to propose the idea to refuse someone’s
> technical contributions over their past declarations… even if it’s
> constructive? how childish is that?! is that like a punition? or what?
> what does it have to do with? what’s the relationship?
>
> I am to recall very well that really interesting contribution to the
> discussion from Samuel: he said sometimes someone is “toxic” in a certain
> place/circumstances, but not in others… it would be stupid not to profit
> from the ones where that person wouldn’t cause trouble! even the opposite!
> that’d make them used to work with other, to communicate properly, to feel
> the satisfaction of getting things done, efficiently (that requires proper
> communication), and maybe would learn, or at least get the incentive, to
> do that in other places where they would have got bad behavior!
>
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