MESSAGE
| DATE | 2020-02-24 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:36:16AM -0700, Mark Galassi wrote:
>
> Dear GNU maintainers,
>
> I wrote to endorse the GNU social contract and received an email which
> made me feel insulted and intimidated (this one said "F*** you", so not
> much risk of misinterpreting the language). I also got a sequence of
> replied from people telling me I was wrong to do so. These seem to be
> canned replies that are sent to other people who endorse it. They did
> not make me feel as intimidated, but it still seems like a strange
> campaign.
>
> I wrote the following to the list last week but it got rejected by
> moderation for being "off topic". Since this list seems to have a lot
> of traffic which is a soul-search on how we should interact, I think it
> must have been rejected by mistake by an overworked moderator, which is
> understandable.
>
Hangout has been around for over 20 years. What is bizzarre is you
pitching a VICIOUS hostile takeover of GNU.
Only vicous and hateful people support this blood libel on GNU and RMS
> Here it is with my suggestion for the moderators. I also now realize
> that part of the response had to do with the bizarre "hangout" mailing
> list that was created to get some postings to many people on this list
> without going through this list.
>
> = = =
>
> A while ago there was a discussion of moderation on this mailing list,
> but I lost track of what was happening.
>
> A person responded to my endorsement of the social contract (which I had
> misspelled as social construct - ooops). This person wrote back to me
> and the list saying:
>
> > F*** you and your illconceived campaign to destroy GNU
>
>
> > And f*** that mailing list run by a theif and a bully
>
> [they had the full swear word in there; I replaced part of it with *s so
> that we don't vent it too much and end up in search results for hostility]
>
> I don't see clear information about moderation, and don't know right now
> how to write to the moderators directly (the page
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss doesn't give
> moderator addresses).
>
> I feel that this mailing list has people who get really hostile and
> insult people like me who have dedicated their lives to being GNU
> contributors (in my case since 1985).
>
> I will not get turned off of the good work for GNU by this specific
> insult targeted at me, but I can see that in the future I might get
> dispirited, and I know new people who have decided to not get in to the
> internals like this.
>
> I would like to remind everyone that Richard has said quite clearly that
> everyone who contributes to GNU should be treated as acting in good
> faith.
>
> I would suggest that the moderators of this list set something up to
> avoid the trolling. Even if they block such a response to the whole
> list, it still goes directly to the person posting. Some weird other
> addresses were also added.
>
> I won't post the person's name here, but moderators: if you want I can
> share the details with you directly. Email me directly if you would
> like to work on this and need my help.
>
> I would like to point out something rather nice that happened on the
> gnu-community-private list (I'm just quoting a snippet, and I replaced
> the person's name since that is a private list). Clearly this poster
> had a disagreement with others and questioned their good faith, but then
> realized that s/he should not have, and wrote a very nice email.
>
> The snippet:
>
> aPoster> It was wrong for me to ask people to leave this community. I
> aPoster> apologize, and take back my above suggestion.
>
> (my reply below: )
>
> aPoster, it is nice to see that you have the character to post this kind of
> correction.
>
> I hope that when people back off from a hurried possibly hostile
> statement (although this one was much milder than a lot of what we see
> on this list) they will always know that the silent majority praises it.
>
> The first thing I did when I saw aPoster's adjustment was to go and
> re-read all of their previous emails to make sure that I had paid
> attention to their points.
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