MESSAGE
| DATE | 2020-02-24 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] feeling intimidated for endorsing the GNU
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 10:58:28PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> Mark:
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:36:16 -0700, Mark Galassi wrote:
> > I wrote to endorse the GNU social contract and received an email which
> > made me feel insulted and intimidated (this one said "F*** you", so not
> > much risk of misinterpreting the language). I also got a sequence of
> > replied from people telling me I was wrong to do so. These seem to be
> > canned replies that are sent to other people who endorse it. They did
> > not make me feel as intimidated, but it still seems like a strange
> > campaign.
>
> Firstly: I'm sorry that you are receiving those messages. People should
> not feel harassed in that way when communicating on GNU lists.
>
WRONG
When people declare open war against RMS and GNU, they should definitly
feel harrassed.
You are nothing but a two-bit evil censor trying to support the hostile
take over of GNU by moderating out the opposition.
Your a bad man.
> Unfortunately, though, as Alfred has mentioned, there's nothing we can
> do to prevent people from contacting you privately. But if you do
> receive a message privately which has also been CC'd to this list, and
> find that it does not appear in the list archives, then you at least
> know that the moderators have attempted to mitigate some of the damage
> by preventing it from reaching the list.
>
> We've had a few people in particular that have been especially
> problematic, and one person in particular that has many different
> aliases and has even gone so far as to create a separate list that the
> person has forcefully subscribed people to. I condemn this
> behavior. But there's little we can do to stop it.
>
> > I wrote the following to the list last week but it got rejected by
> > moderation for being "off topic". Since this list seems to have a lot
> > of traffic which is a soul-search on how we should interact, I think it
> > must have been rejected by mistake by an overworked moderator, which is
> > understandable.
>
> I appreciate your perspective. Considering that I see no problem with
> this message, I'll assume that your interpretation is correct.
>
> > I don't see clear information about moderation, and don't know right now
> > how to write to the moderators directly (the page
> > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss doesn't give
> > moderator addresses).
>
> I'm the publicly listed owner of the list. While I don't frequently
> moderate, please feel free to get in touch with me directly. I've been
> more active the past few days, but even when I'm not, I'll see direct
> messages to me.
>
> > I would suggest that the moderators of this list set something up to
> > avoid the trolling. Even if they block such a response to the whole
> > list, it still goes directly to the person posting. Some weird other
> > addresses were also added.
>
> We're doing the best we can, but only so much is within our
> means. Certain people have caused us a substantial moderation burden.
>
> > I won't post the person's name here, but moderators: if you want I can
> > share the details with you directly. Email me directly if you would
> > like to work on this and need my help.
>
> Feel free to forward me any details and we can see if it's anything
> we're not already aware of.
>
> Happy hacking.
>
> --
> Mike Gerwitz
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