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| DATE | 2020-02-23 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Harrassment on this list
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 09:21:18PM +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 02:37:35PM -0500, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> > So what do you think that someone tries to communicate with the statement
> > "You are sick"?
> > Ignore the statement, or see past it -- be the better person.
>
> Okay, so if I understand correctly, you are telling me to be less susceptible.
How about this:
- You stop your campaign to destroy GNU
- You apologize for exploiting false reports int he press for your
personal gain
- You kill the Trademark Infraction of GNU.TOOLS
- You apolgize personally to Richard for causing him ***REAL*** harm and
promise to never libel him again
and then we put this all behind us and then you work within the GNU
governance to affect changes ... in which case you accept that you
might, or might not get what you want.
>
> Well, I will let it drop - I am quite optimistic that personally I will
> survive to insults by random strangers on the Internet.
>
FWIW, I can't speak for other randoms, but I am in no way random.
I am fully aware of the harmful affects of what you are doing and
saying, and I am fully aware of your intent. I've been working with and
teaching Free Software for over 30 years. Your broad swipe at RMS and
at the core values of GNU and hateful. So stop it.
> The reason I have been insisting is that inaction towards this kind of
> behaviour kills communication in the GNU project - if victims of verbal
> abuse are expected to change their opinions
The opinions you are asking to be expressed here is the echo chamber of
your own agenda. These aren't victems of verbal abuse. They are
perpetrators of serious immoral activtivites from tradmark theft, to
slander.
They are ***vicious*** and you don't just get a chance to express them
and to act in an organized rebilion of the GNU governance and pretend to
be the victem.
> to stop the name calling,
You mean like calling Stallman a rapest?
You did that. You supported people who did that and continue to do so
without apology.
> or are invited to be less susceptible, they will eventually just leave,
> and their example will prevent others from joining. And as has been amply
> demonstrated, just brandishing guidelines without options for sanctions
> does not solve the problem.
>
> My point is made, I presume.
No - it is not.
>
> Andreas
>
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