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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] The General Public Licence (GPL) as the basic
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> As a GNU user, you may not know it but GNU maintainers do not currently
> agree to uphold the free software values that we care about; they merely
> agree to more specific GNU policies.
>
> It is intentional, since the GNU project doesn't want to exclude
> anyone from becoming a GNU maintainer. So not only currently, but
> also not in the future.
You’ve made your point many times, but please, stop presenting the
current situation as something that cannot possibly ever change and,
consequently, should never be questioned.
It is not a point I made, it is a point that the GNU project made. I
suggest you read Chief GNUisance email, which raises the point of such
raddical, and unfriendly changes -- I've attached the email for your
persual if you missed it.
What should be questioned is the echo chamber group that you are part
of and have created, and you now demand people to be silent because
you disagree with them. We can see this continued biased view in how
you refuse to even host, or mention, what the actual stance of the GNU
project is on the non-GNU anti-social edict website, and instead make
up statements that clearly do not represent the GNU project.
Indeed, I'm still waiting for a reply on why you refuse to what the
GNU project is actually saying.
I think it’s important for GNU hackers as a group to be able to
reflect on the project’s procedures and discuss whether/how to
improve them.
That is already the case, and GNU maintainers already do so in their
technical role.
===File ~/whats-gnu-whats-not.text==========================
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 18:26:51 -0500
From: "Richard Stallman (Chief GNUisance)"
To: rms-at-gnu.org
Subject: What's GNU -- and what's not
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The GNU Project is sending this message to each GNU package
maintainer.
You may have recently received an email asking you to review a
document titled "GNU Social Contract" and then to endorse it or reject
it. It does not entirely accord with the GNU Project's views. It was
created by some GNU participants who are trying to push changes
on the GNU Project.
The message also proposed to "define" what it means to be a "member of
GNU", and cited a web page presented as a "wiki for GNU maintainers",
It may have given the impression that they were doing all those things
on behalf of the GNU Project. That is not the case. The document,
the
wiki, and the proposed idea of "members" have no standing in the GNU
Project, which is not considering such steps. The use of a domain not
affiliated with GNU reflects this fact.
GNU package maintainers have committed to do work to maintain and add
to the GNU system, but not anything beyond that. We have never
pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project philosophy, or any
other philosophical views, because people are welcome to contribute to
GNU regardless of their views.
To change that -- to impose such requirements -- would be radical,
gratuitous, and divisive, so the GNU Project is not entertaining the
idea. Likewise, we will not ask package maintainers to be "members"
instead of volunteers. If you contribute to GNU, you are already a
member of the GNU community.
The wiki that they set up "for GNU maintainers" represents them, not
the GNU Project. People are always free to publish what they think
the GNU Project should do, but should not presume it will be accepted
or followed by the GNU Project.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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> As a GNU user, you may not know it but GNU maintainers do not currently
> agree to uphold the free software values that we care about; they merely
> agree to more specific GNU policies.
>
> It is intentional, since the GNU project doesn't want to exclude
> anyone from becoming a GNU maintainer. So not only currently, but
> also not in the future.
You’ve made your point many times, but please, stop presenting the
current situation as something that cannot possibly ever change and,
consequently, should never be questioned.
It is not a point I made, it is a point that the GNU project made. I
suggest you read Chief GNUisance email, which raises the point of such
raddical, and unfriendly changes -- I've attached the email for your
persual if you missed it.
What should be questioned is the echo chamber group that you are part
of and have created, and you now demand people to be silent because
you disagree with them. We can see this continued biased view in how
you refuse to even host, or mention, what the actual stance of the GNU
project is on the non-GNU anti-social edict website, and instead make
up statements that clearly do not represent the GNU project.
Indeed, I'm still waiting for a reply on why you refuse to what the
GNU project is actually saying.
I think it’s important for GNU hackers as a group to be able to
reflect on the project’s procedures and discuss whether/how to
improve them.
That is already the case, and GNU maintainers already do so in their
technical role.
===File ~/whats-gnu-whats-not.text==========================
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 18:26:51 -0500
From: "Richard Stallman (Chief GNUisance)"
To: rms-at-gnu.org
Subject: What's GNU -- and what's not
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
The GNU Project is sending this message to each GNU package
maintainer.
You may have recently received an email asking you to review a
document titled "GNU Social Contract" and then to endorse it or reject
it. It does not entirely accord with the GNU Project's views. It was
created by some GNU participants who are trying to push changes
on the GNU Project.
The message also proposed to "define" what it means to be a "member of
GNU", and cited a web page presented as a "wiki for GNU maintainers",
It may have given the impression that they were doing all those things
on behalf of the GNU Project. That is not the case. The document,
the
wiki, and the proposed idea of "members" have no standing in the GNU
Project, which is not considering such steps. The use of a domain not
affiliated with GNU reflects this fact.
GNU package maintainers have committed to do work to maintain and add
to the GNU system, but not anything beyond that. We have never
pressed contributors to endorse the GNU Project philosophy, or any
other philosophical views, because people are welcome to contribute to
GNU regardless of their views.
To change that -- to impose such requirements -- would be radical,
gratuitous, and divisive, so the GNU Project is not entertaining the
idea. Likewise, we will not ask package maintainers to be "members"
instead of volunteers. If you contribute to GNU, you are already a
member of the GNU community.
The wiki that they set up "for GNU maintainers" represents them, not
the GNU Project. People are always free to publish what they think
the GNU Project should do, but should not presume it will be accepted
or followed by the GNU Project.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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