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| DATE | 2020-02-08 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] What's GNU -- and what's not
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On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 05:24:35PM +0100, Carlo Wood wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 20:51:49 +0100
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
>
> > Many people already gave feedback on it and we do hope that it does
> > match as closely as possible. If you still believe it doesn't entirely
> > accord with the GNU Project's views then please do suggest wording
> > changes. We hope to combine all the feedback by February 10th for an
> > updated version.
>
> I've only seen three people giving feedback so far,
> of which only one was "positive" and that wasn't backed up
> by the content of the gnu.tools but as a reaction to
> the rather rude / impolite wording of Jean Louis mails
> (I believe it was).
>
> Also, you keep saying "we" - but have not reacted to my email
> asking for names.
>
> So, I think all of this can be summarized as a small group of
> two maybe three people who started a new website and are trying
> to create momentum under the maintainers of GNU project for it,
> with as goal to undermine the position of RMS as Chief GNUisance
> of the GNU Project.
>
That is exactly right,
> You seem very well aware that staying polite and keeping a
> smile at all times is very important for this goal.
>
100%
> At the same time you make use of the emotions that this hostile
> takeover causes among a few people to make THEM look like fools
> (since they are NOT keeping their emotions in check). This is,
> obviously, because they have a lot to lose if you win this battle,
> while you are not running any risk since you have nothing to lose,
> only to gain.
>
It is always easier to tear things down rather than keep them built, for
30 years.
> The fact that bring all of this under the pretense of improving
> the GNU organization - instead of talking about what your real
> goals are - proves to me that you manipulative.
o
Correct
>
> I've seen this type of thing before; lots of "political" babble
> and arguments like "how can it be bad when more people get to
> have a say in the matter?" after which those people nod and "vote"
> yeah. Then suddenly you are the sole active members of a committee
> that will take things a step further.
>
Corperate jaagon, followed by FUD and then dismisal of opposition
> If I see how you are abusing the word "we" already WITHOUT EVER
> saying WHO exactly you mean, by name; then I know exactly what
> will happen when whatever it is that you are proposing now is
> even a LITTLE BIT accepted as more or less a little bit more
> "official" as it is now -- for example by having a hand full of
> ignorant maintainers post a GPG signed mail saying they agree with
> your document.
>
> It does not matter even what is IN the document. The very fact that
> you wrote it (you as in: the one person that wrote it) and then got
> SOME people to take it seriously enough to react with a signed mail
> will make you suddenly someone MORE "official". Exactly the kind of
> official that I meant above.
>
> More mails with "we" will follow.
>
> All of this effort must be fueled by something; probably hatred against
> RMS. And your hidden agenda is to shift the power balance away from him.
>
> Well -- I do not agree with that.
>
> The BEST thing for any organization is when ONE man can take all the
> important decisions. And we know that RMS is more than capable to look
> out for whatever the GNU project really stands for: he is the founder
> and has led it from the start. There is no risk at all here, we know
> what we get.
>
> If you create a committee to take decisions that that will destroy
> the project: a committee, especially a new one, will mainly be concerned
> with staying in power. Most of their decisions will have to do with
> removing people from the project that has opposing ideas, RMS only being
> one of them. Nothing will be left in the end of this project then
> endless discussions and bickering. No really important decisions will
> be made at all anymore. I've seen it before. I say no to movement,
> because whatever the result, it will be devastatingly bad for the GNU
> project.
>
> So yes, people take down your "gnu.tools" domain. Having the word 'gnu'
> in it is misleading and hostile.
>
> --
> Carlo Wood
>
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