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| DATE | 2019-11-06 |
| FROM | Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com>
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Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>> Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of fo=
rmalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by invent=
ing ideology-driven =E2=80=98contracts=E2=80=99. And in order to add an in=
sult to injury =E2=80=94 to cover it with Western buzzwords like =E2=80=98i=
nclusiveness=E2=80=99. :-\
>
> Ideology? Hm.
Ideology, doctrine, religion =E2=80=94 call the thing, that made you think =
that a GNU developer has to be condemned for using a Macbook, whatever you =
find best.
Actually, =E2=80=98Church of Emacs=E2=80=99 suits exceptionally well, so fr=
om now on I will refer to it as that.
> I do not see how the aim of creating a harassment-free environment could =
be construed as making GNU a less welcoming place...
In other words, the only real aim of your =E2=80=98social contract=E2=80=99=
is to impose that last paragraph about =E2=80=98harassment=E2=80=99 on eve=
ryone, while all the software freedom stuff is just a decoration that shoul=
d not be taken seriously?
> Neither how the word "inclusiveness" could be interpreted as an insult.
Indeed, next to a proposition to exclude all dissenters, it could and shoul=
d be rather interpreted as hypocrisy.
> Nor whether we need to distinguish "Western"
Of course, you do need to distinguish it, as long as you care to keep GNU a=
universally inclusive project.
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Andreas Enge wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 01:56:15AM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>> Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of fo=
rmalities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by invent=
ing ideology-driven =E2=80=98contracts=E2=80=99. And in order to add an in=
sult to injury =E2=80=94 to cover it with Western buzzwords like =E2=80=98i=
nclusiveness=E2=80=99. :-\
>
> Ideology? Hm.
Ideology, doctrine, religion =E2=80=94 call the thing, that made you think =
that a GNU developer has to be condemned for using a Macbook, whatever you =
find best.
Actually, =E2=80=98Church of Emacs=E2=80=99 suits exceptionally well, so fr=
om now on I will refer to it as that.
> I do not see how the aim of creating a harassment-free environment could =
be construed as making GNU a less welcoming place...
In other words, the only real aim of your =E2=80=98social contract=E2=80=99=
is to impose that last paragraph about =E2=80=98harassment=E2=80=99 on eve=
ryone, while all the software freedom stuff is just a decoration that shoul=
d not be taken seriously?
> Neither how the word "inclusiveness" could be interpreted as an insult.
Indeed, next to a proposition to exclude all dissenters, it could and shoul=
d be rather interpreted as hypocrisy.
> Nor whether we need to distinguish "Western"
Of course, you do need to distinguish it, as long as you care to keep GNU a=
universally inclusive project.
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