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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Wed Nov 6 19:21:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC11163F56; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com Received: by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 429AC161177; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:07 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Ruben Safir Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 19:21:07 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <20191107002107.GC31703-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Resent-To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com X-Original-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76C9161134 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iST1i-0005Wr-Am for ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:39:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56016) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <321942-at-gmail.com>) id 1iST1f-0005VD-5D for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:39:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942-at-gmail.com>) id 1iST1e-0001cJ-5D for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:39:39 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::329]:55902) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942-at-gmail.com>) id 1iST1d-0001c3-Vo for gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:39:38 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id b11so2832820wmb.5 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:39:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:accept :accept-language:mail-copies-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=TqMOmAKIMlPcCC2QAi5noQs0KRu9lMLVELnrxYe1A/w=; b=KetBQI6eQGWH4AWSkTxIXcHyYX42JC2od5L2numjCCrSiDNhnCD3643jXvuivGhgVd n5Sx7EZ7NMRfdDzDXABQ8kQIrf/PafuO/yMiBJ5dTneeem0j+r1CDxk/8ws8mdB4gixO MOTACWr+h/XE0RIftg5veGZH++UrAkHZ5pm7yW+/gvSr3h060xsto74jS8OLQ5xzINeR eMJnLnWYwTqTpjCjY1kwYDZPqhxEO3xsE6O7sLBnK824damIPAFtEhtfu4A+Pkc6gif6 c6vBcF8DobprTJQ3uFNfE7+2fbXJHKZXKBX0C3Ep6ugl1pnIIonZaUNBM4wXDvCBqj94 5JVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:accept:accept-language:mail-copies-to:date:message-id :mime-version; bh=TqMOmAKIMlPcCC2QAi5noQs0KRu9lMLVELnrxYe1A/w=; b=eRJusfvwKz/YGg+VkUFCThQfo/pIs04cvPDD5ZGhhvZtVk03FDjE7a5Pyage0HrHkp L05wDTjMSV6kyzldMaMjuByJiVRh9iwnFdKsKQ+dTULIiMhSG4jr1h7sbi1M3oCZs0YH xqhuAlPaKe56r7D4oOwupFnpGkLvAwWSXuxjhtxxp8On/jU/9eR9QW9GM36yJ0f7oM36 VMZxbakOdi7AXL7HVZsw7yZq/H3jd7ilWB+AMor3nP5ew3elTkZQjCiRDES8iVHQpEwe kJdXYSELi9qouvcY9hvPdWBoE7HvpI5p64k0Xq32ZS0t7uezXM0uXz8dd4fzI9bxd6jU KxcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX2wxpmma3X4XLo3yfZ1TjZYaYInZCr68VhrIwi69ONE8q2qYuW toGepOmsqLaHCWvPk3EbtPupA8yO X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyr6YCGjIYNIehZQ8GQKzX+FnNYSLxtLddl/dLamo6f+t0outZDbIWSxWlcsUPSGy9e3LTdKg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:544e:: with SMTP id p14mr4338519wmi.17.1573076376638; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([217.23.3.96]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b14sm4048207wmj.18.2019.11.06.13.39.34 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> To: Andreas Enge In-Reply-To: <20191106091844.GA1268-at-jurong> (Andreas Enge's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:18:44 +0100") References: <20191024205045.bcyrofzmzoo2kvgf-at-function> <20191105203109.GA2298-at-jurong> <2104544.hXy1LOlGUR-at-pc-713> <20191106091844.GA1268-at-jurong> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Accept: text/plain,text/markdown,text/x-org,text/html,text/*,*/* Accept-Language: ru,en Mail-Copies-To: always Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 00:39:32 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::329 X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63729 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?GNU_vs=2E_Church_of_Emacs_=28was=3A_A?= =?utf-8?b?IEdOVSDigJxzb2NpYWwgY29udHJhY3TigJ0/KQ==?= X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0579589363==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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Andreas Enge wrote: > Here we disagree. GNU is not developed in a cave
Yes, thanks to a RMS=CA=BCs wise decision not to mix development of GNU wit= h Church of Emacs =E2=80=94 a decision you are now trying hard to revise an= d drive GNU into a cave where all contributors have to live on =E2=80=9Cthe= ir own dog food=E2=80=9D.
You presumably believe, that a relatively high number of Church of Emacs fo= llowers among GNU developers is an achievement, that GNU should be proud of.
No, it=CA=BCs a shame that GNU is not able to attract a wide range of contr= ibutors by non-ideological reasons =E2=80=94 just like other free and =E2= =80=98open source=E2=80=99 software do. Much more of a shame than =E2=80= =98unable to attract women=E2=80=99 of yours=C2=B9.
> We have a public role, and whenever we go to conferences or hacker meetin= gs, we get an opportunity to lead by example. > And I definitely do not need any official validation to do that.
You do not, yet others do? ;-) Otherwise, why these =E2=80=98contracts=E2= =80=99?
=2D =C2=B9 By the way, it had been mentioned numerous times as a well-known fac= t, yet no any references were cited, is there any?
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Andreas Enge wrote: > Here we disagree. GNU is not developed in a cave
Yes, thanks to a RMS=CA=BCs wise decision not to mix development of GNU wit= h Church of Emacs =E2=80=94 a decision you are now trying hard to revise an= d drive GNU into a cave where all contributors have to live on =E2=80=9Cthe= ir own dog food=E2=80=9D.
You presumably believe, that a relatively high number of Church of Emacs fo= llowers among GNU developers is an achievement, that GNU should be proud of.
No, it=CA=BCs a shame that GNU is not able to attract a wide range of contr= ibutors by non-ideological reasons =E2=80=94 just like other free and =E2= =80=98open source=E2=80=99 software do. Much more of a shame than =E2=80= =98unable to attract women=E2=80=99 of yours=C2=B9.
> We have a public role, and whenever we go to conferences or hacker meetin= gs, we get an opportunity to lead by example. > And I definitely do not need any official validation to do that.
You do not, yet others do? ;-) Otherwise, why these =E2=80=98contracts=E2= =80=99?
=2D =C2=B9 By the way, it had been mentioned numerous times as a well-known fac= t, yet no any references were cited, is there any?
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