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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::32e X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63731 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Concrete_suggestions_on_how_to_make_G?= =?utf-8?q?NU_more_welcoming_=28was=3A_A_GNU_=E2=80=9Csocial_contract?= =?utf-8?b?4oCdPyk=?= X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1038417081==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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Andreas Enge wrote: > Please, Alexandre and others > I would suggest to make concrete suggestions
Thank you for invitation.
Concrete suggestions on how could GNU be improved to attract more contribut= ors:
* (1) Do not impose any ideology on them.
* (2) Lessen the amount of formalities, that contributors have to pass:
** Revise (towards 0) the list of subprojects, that require them to assign = copyright.
** For the remaining ones, relax a copyright-assignment policy, as all-or-n= othing attitude proved to be unnecessary by real copyleft enforcement cases.
One of the ways to relax it may be that: do not demand anything from a new = contributor straightaway, but wait till it became obvious that his contribu= tions will eventually comprise a substantial share of codebase.
** Relax the requirement to prove their rights by providing anything from t= heir employer, if any relaxation is still possible.
* (3) Fight the negative myth about GNU as a place full of dogmas and burea= ucracy:
** Make it as clear as possible: =2D that GNU welcomes everyone, regardless of their political preferences, = and in particular regardless of whether they embrace free software philosop= hy or not; =2D and even if they do, that nobody will shame them for not living a life = of saint of Church of Emacs here.
** Make all the remaining necessary formalities as transparent as possible.= One should not collect (perhaps, outdated) anecdotal evidences around the= Web, but have an opportunity to consult an official and up-to-date summary= about: =2D whether he need to undergo any paperwork (preferable answer: no, more r= ealistic answer: check the list); =2D what personal information he has to reveal (preferable answer: none); =2D how to make a paperwork if any needed (preferable answer: an email is e= nough); =2D if he assign copyright on his code, does he retain a right to use it in= nonfree software (answer: yes); =2D how probable it is, that he has to ask his employer to do anything (pre= ferable answer: only if he himself supposes that this is needed).
Make as clear / transparent as possible here means to publish it prominentl= y on gnu.org and spread it over Reddit-like resources and other social netw= orks.
> on wording, or paragraphs to remove [from] or to add [to the proposed =E2= =80=98Social contract=E2=80=99].
Per (1) =E2=80=94 remove the whole =E2=80=98Social contract=E2=80=99.
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Andreas Enge wrote: > Please, Alexandre and others > I would suggest to make concrete suggestions
Thank you for invitation.
Concrete suggestions on how could GNU be improved to attract more contribut= ors:
* (1) Do not impose any ideology on them.
* (2) Lessen the amount of formalities, that contributors have to pass:
** Revise (towards 0) the list of subprojects, that require them to assign = copyright.
** For the remaining ones, relax a copyright-assignment policy, as all-or-n= othing attitude proved to be unnecessary by real copyleft enforcement cases.
One of the ways to relax it may be that: do not demand anything from a new = contributor straightaway, but wait till it became obvious that his contribu= tions will eventually comprise a substantial share of codebase.
** Relax the requirement to prove their rights by providing anything from t= heir employer, if any relaxation is still possible.
* (3) Fight the negative myth about GNU as a place full of dogmas and burea= ucracy:
** Make it as clear as possible: =2D that GNU welcomes everyone, regardless of their political preferences, = and in particular regardless of whether they embrace free software philosop= hy or not; =2D and even if they do, that nobody will shame them for not living a life = of saint of Church of Emacs here.
** Make all the remaining necessary formalities as transparent as possible.= One should not collect (perhaps, outdated) anecdotal evidences around the= Web, but have an opportunity to consult an official and up-to-date summary= about: =2D whether he need to undergo any paperwork (preferable answer: no, more r= ealistic answer: check the list); =2D what personal information he has to reveal (preferable answer: none); =2D how to make a paperwork if any needed (preferable answer: an email is e= nough); =2D if he assign copyright on his code, does he retain a right to use it in= nonfree software (answer: yes); =2D how probable it is, that he has to ask his employer to do anything (pre= ferable answer: only if he himself supposes that this is needed).
Make as clear / transparent as possible here means to publish it prominentl= y on gnu.org and spread it over Reddit-like resources and other social netw= orks.
> on wording, or paragraphs to remove [from] or to add [to the proposed =E2= =80=98Social contract=E2=80=99].
Per (1) =E2=80=94 remove the whole =E2=80=98Social contract=E2=80=99.
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