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Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Is negative publicity always harmful? (was: Women
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Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> The absolute worst thing the public-facing representative of *any* organi=
zation can do is bring negative publicity to the organization about things =
that are irrelevant or contrary to the organization's mission.
I=CA=BCm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the co=
re competency of an organization =E2=80=94 yes, is perhaps is the most harm=
ful thing for it.
While negative publicity on irrelevant topics is either much less harmful, =
or sometimes even beneficial.
> As a result of RMS's comments, all of a sudden the public conversation ab=
out the GNU project was not about how good our software is and how free sof=
tware is taking over the world and beneficial to everybody
Dr. Stallman has been always, in almost every his speech, pointed out, that=
in terms of publicity everything is still so bad, that he has to struggle =
to make it known that GNU and free software movement in general merely exis=
t. And that they are not the same as Linux=C2=AE and =E2=80=98open source=
=E2=80=99, in particular.
Under that conditions, any kind of public attention to GNU should be welcom=
ing.
> It's been a public relations disaster for the GNU project. :-(
Time will tell.
=2D-=20
P. S.
> a developer community that consists almost exclusively of old white men i=
s not sustainable.
You know, developer communities reproduce themselves not solely by breeding=
. :-D
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Sandra Loosemore wrote:
> The absolute worst thing the public-facing representative of *any* organi=
zation can do is bring negative publicity to the organization about things =
that are irrelevant or contrary to the organization's mission.
I=CA=BCm afraid, you conflated two points. Publicity that undermine the co=
re competency of an organization =E2=80=94 yes, is perhaps is the most harm=
ful thing for it.
While negative publicity on irrelevant topics is either much less harmful, =
or sometimes even beneficial.
> As a result of RMS's comments, all of a sudden the public conversation ab=
out the GNU project was not about how good our software is and how free sof=
tware is taking over the world and beneficial to everybody
Dr. Stallman has been always, in almost every his speech, pointed out, that=
in terms of publicity everything is still so bad, that he has to struggle =
to make it known that GNU and free software movement in general merely exis=
t. And that they are not the same as Linux=C2=AE and =E2=80=98open source=
=E2=80=99, in particular.
Under that conditions, any kind of public attention to GNU should be welcom=
ing.
> It's been a public relations disaster for the GNU project. :-(
Time will tell.
=2D-=20
P. S.
> a developer community that consists almost exclusively of old white men i=
s not sustainable.
You know, developer communities reproduce themselves not solely by breeding=
. :-D
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