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DATE | 2019-11-05 |
FROM | Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com>
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::432 X-BeenThere: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list X-UID: 63614 Cc: gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?QSBHTlUg4oCcc29jaWFsIGNvbnRyYWN04oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1906960068==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
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Andreas Enge wrote: > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts = on any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all contributors=E2= =80=A6 >> >> Many GNU subprojects value =E2=80=98recordkeeping=E2=80=99 (per Prof. Mo= glen [2]) and =E2=80=98protection for FSF=E2=80=99 (per -at-ams-at-gnu.org [3]) m= ore than giving anyone an opportunity to contribute. Are you calling for c= hange in priorities? If yes, I would appreciate it, if you name few concre= te steps. > > No change of priorities, I think, but promoting non-discrimination and in= clusiveness. The emphasis is on "give *opportunity* to contribute (...) *r= egardless* of their gender etc. (...) *harassment-free* (...)". It does no= t mean that bad contributions need to be accepted, or those where the copyr= ight assignments are not done correctly, and so on.
So that=CA=BCs exactly what I was afraid of.
Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of forma= lities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by inventing= ideology-driven =E2=80=98contracts=E2=80=99. And in order to add an insul= t to injury =E2=80=94 to cover it with Western buzzwords like =E2=80=98incl= usiveness=E2=80=99. :-\
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Andreas Enge wrote: > On Sat, Nov 02, 2019 at 11:13:57PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >> > We want to give everyone the opportunity to contribute to our efforts = on any of the many tasks that require work. We welcome all contributors=E2= =80=A6 >> >> Many GNU subprojects value =E2=80=98recordkeeping=E2=80=99 (per Prof. Mo= glen [2]) and =E2=80=98protection for FSF=E2=80=99 (per -at-ams-at-gnu.org [3]) m= ore than giving anyone an opportunity to contribute. Are you calling for c= hange in priorities? If yes, I would appreciate it, if you name few concre= te steps. > > No change of priorities, I think, but promoting non-discrimination and in= clusiveness. The emphasis is on "give *opportunity* to contribute (...) *r= egardless* of their gender etc. (...) *harassment-free* (...)". It does no= t mean that bad contributions need to be accepted, or those where the copyr= ight assignments are not done correctly, and so on.
So that=CA=BCs exactly what I was afraid of.
Instead of making GNU more welcoming place by lessening the burden of forma= lities, you in fact propose GNU to withdraw deeper into itself by inventing= ideology-driven =E2=80=98contracts=E2=80=99. And in order to add an insul= t to injury =E2=80=94 to cover it with Western buzzwords like =E2=80=98incl= usiveness=E2=80=99. :-\
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