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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why fewer contributors to GNU? They have to
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Jean Louis wrote: > * gameonlinux-at-redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:56]: >> Reasons fewer men contribute to GNU: >> - Have to reveal identity. > > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen names.
Why is it specific to =E2=80=98America country=E2=80=99 (whatever it is)?
I thought, contributing to GNU does not require it, unless the subproject, = you are sending patches to, have a strict copyright assignment policy, in w= hich case FSF clerks indeed ask you to reveal you identity to them (and onl= y to them, not publicly). Am I wrong?
>> - Have to assign copyright (a submissive act). > > That is not submissive act but legal act and cooperation. It is necessary= for cases of legal enforcement where evidences have to be shown in courts = of law.
What =E2=80=98it=E2=80=99? The current all-or-nothing policy, where anyone= who is going to contribute more than 15 lines or so have to undergo a pape= rwork, proved to be unnecessary overkill by the enforcement story of the mo= st enforced free program so far =E2=80=94 Linux=C2=AE.
The other side of coin is that FSF does not encourage authors of GNU packag= es, that have not adopted this strict copyright assignment policy, to assig= n their copyright.
In other words, GNU software maintainers have to choose between loosing cer= tain number of contributors or totally loosing legal enforceability =E2=80= =94 no middle option.
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Jean Louis wrote: > * gameonlinux-at-redchan.it [2019-11-04 12:56]: >> Reasons fewer men contribute to GNU: >> - Have to reveal identity. > > That is not quite so. In America country it is possible to use pen names.
Why is it specific to =E2=80=98America country=E2=80=99 (whatever it is)?
I thought, contributing to GNU does not require it, unless the subproject, = you are sending patches to, have a strict copyright assignment policy, in w= hich case FSF clerks indeed ask you to reveal you identity to them (and onl= y to them, not publicly). Am I wrong?
>> - Have to assign copyright (a submissive act). > > That is not submissive act but legal act and cooperation. It is necessary= for cases of legal enforcement where evidences have to be shown in courts = of law.
What =E2=80=98it=E2=80=99? The current all-or-nothing policy, where anyone= who is going to contribute more than 15 lines or so have to undergo a pape= rwork, proved to be unnecessary overkill by the enforcement story of the mo= st enforced free program so far =E2=80=94 Linux=C2=AE.
The other side of coin is that FSF does not encourage authors of GNU packag= es, that have not adopted this strict copyright assignment policy, to assig= n their copyright.
In other words, GNU software maintainers have to choose between loosing cer= tain number of contributors or totally loosing legal enforceability =E2=80= =94 no middle option.
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