MESSAGE
| DATE | 2019-10-29 |
| FROM | Jean Louis
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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* Ruben Safir [2019-10-29 13:40]:
> On 10/29/19 4:05 AM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > I am born in former Yugoslavia, we have jokes about Montenegro people
> > being lazy. They laugh about it too. Everybody knows it is not quite
> > true (I am still not sure...).
>
>
> That would be 100% objectionable material. You'll have to judge wether
> it is hate spech or not.
>
> I wouldn't make any ethnic jokes in the Balkans, especially after the
> genocide that took place there.
Nothing changed there in regards to jokes. Montenegrin people use
jokes about themselves, they find it funny
too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBbQMIGcoWQ if you don't
understand, you can see them giggling. The dialect says that they are
Montenegrins.
Actually, I have never encountered anybody in that sensitive Balkan
area who was over-reacting to any ethnically related jokes.
I have not seen any incident or event where somebody in Balkan area of
former Yugoslavia would ever go after director, president, or founder,
for reasons of telling some joke. It would be nonsense, and ridiculous
to do, as everybody knows that joke is a joke.
Some jokes could be bad as you say, or hate speech. I just did not
encounter that in public speeches. But I did encounter true hate
speech before in time.
To understand the joke, one must be there, must understand
environment, people, talk to people, otherwise it is very hard to
understand it from distance. Then it will be very easy to make it
"serious" and claim it was "offensive".
> But the RMS lecture in question contains ZERO offensive material. There
> are people who the topic of sex itself is offensive, and there is no way
> to discuss it in public. C'est La Vie. You can't satisfy everyone.
This is planet Earth. It is absolutely impossible to satisfy everyone.
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