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| DATE | 2019-10-29 |
| FROM | Jean Louis
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org is premoderated
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* Samuel Thibault [2019-10-29 23:51]:
> Hello,
>
> I just don't have any time to continue such kind of discussion with
> such flurry of mail which ended up being moderated out (I wonder who is
> over-reacting here...). Just writing down a few points before moving on
> to other matters.
Samuel, for me the discussion is fun. But I do think that you and
Ludovic Courtès are people mad enough to destroy GNU, that is what you
pledged, what you are proposing.
You have no facts to prove your statement.
> If you knew me, you'd know that I never hide agendas.
Yes you do hide agenda. Your statement on Guix pages does not reveal
and does not say that you are pissed off because of the "Federal
Censorship" joke. You do not disclose to public that you are whiny
pissed off offended person. You have disclosed it yesterday when you
referenced to "abort()" joke. It wasn't even joke about abortions, it
is joke about federal censorship. You never even got it.
> Jean Louis, le mar. 29 oct. 2019 11:58:33 +0530, a ecrit:
> > And that is exactly what is happening by group of people who demand
> > that by reason of few people feeling offended whole organization
> > shall go down.
>
> What is asked is *not* to defame RMS and put the organization down. It
> is to enhance GNU so it can better include people. If GNU doesn't want
> to be improved, then so be it, too bad for it, it'll continue not to
> attract some briliant people who could have helped it.
Enhance GNU?! What what kind of people? How can a SJW be a leader,
ever? That would be fascism kind of leadership.
Your thought control is terrible. I am so glad that I am not born in
your shoes and that my mind is clear.
> > You are trying to make something more out of the joke than it is. But
> > it is not, it is just a joke.
> [...]
> > Hate speech is something different. I have got impression that you
> > wish to say that hate speech is wrong. And I agree with you, hate
> > speech is wrong. But jokes are not hate speech.
>
> Jokes do have side effects when they are made at the expense of other
> people, even if that was not the intent. I completely understand what
> the virgin joke is _intended_ to be about, but the original version does
> have strong side effects, even if it is not meant to be serious. The
> current version is much less problematic.
It wasn't offensive.
You were not offended, so far I know you were not a virgin at time.
You are making unreasonable drama and actually it all becomes so much
funny, and sad in the same time.
> > Did you ever consider what Richard did for community?
>
> The post on the Guix blog started with that.
>
> > That does not justify destruction of a community. Please see:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_uB3srI_0
> [...]
> > If you don't like comedian,
>
> That is completely unrelated. A technical conference is not a comedy
> show. I didn't say that the joke was wrong to say anywhere anytime. I
> said it was *inappropriate*, i.e. not the place, not the time. I
> discussed with my female colleagues about this joke at lunch today, they
> made really bad faces.
You cannot "discuss" the joke which is expressed out of the
context. But you can watch the joke being presented WITHIN the
context, and I have shown you that people are laughing.
Today, I was telling my children joke about the dog that talks, and
they cannot get it.
Please stop policing people's thoughts and free speech.
You should actually learn to respect others.
> > it is not the GNU project, but offended person who need to learn how
> > to behave in a group.
>
> They will rather just go away, and thus the group will have excluded
> them. Probably not for only one joke, but that was only one example. And
> very fact that people stand by the joke will make them rather leave that
> stay and have to fight yet once more.
Who is "they"?
Again generalizations?
No need for immature repetition, it was a joke, it stays a joke and we
both know not everbody is laughing and that is same for any kind of
jokes. Unix and programs are full of jokes and full of males, that is
not related to any kind of sexism, or anti-women, your estimates and
analysis of that are simply wrong.
If you don't like jokes, go to some other community to destroy
it. Don't destroy GNU.
> > And Unix always had jokes. It is part of programmer's culture.
> [...]
> > Removing jokes from GNU does not make fun any more.
>
> Don't take me wrong, I do like jokes and very welcome them anywhere,
> including in free software talks. But again, these do *not* have to be
> at the expense of somebody to be funny.
Jokes are almost always, by their rule at expense of somebody. That is
major characteristics of a joke.
You have got enough space for drama due to kindness in that group of
people (GNU project) who gave you space for that. I would not give
you.
Find your safe place and whine there.
> > I told you that I have asked a professor in Netherlands to explain me
> > why there are so few women in computer class, the reason is cultural,
> > they are told as children to become mommies, nurses, and similar. They
> > are not told to program.
>
> Sure, that's a huge part of the problem which I know all too well for
> being responsible for the first year at university here. But unwelcoming
> communities is _also_ part of the problem, even if for a much smaller
> part. Compare the percentage of women in computer science university,
> and the percentage of women in GNU projects. That will tell you how much
> GNU also has to consider the question, and not sweep it away.
There is no "unwelcoming community" in GNU project, you are wrong
simply, and everybody is welcome to bring projects to GNU. If you wish
something to do about it, you can watch first into the gender of the
person and then if it is female, you may ask them to join GNU or you
could teach female to program and contribute to GNU, do whatever you
wish.
There is policy that nobody discriminates in FSF and GNU project, and
your statements are absurd and totally fictional. You have to bring
your feelings under control.
There is no "problem" when there are more males in certain subject of
human activity, of if there are no females.
Please go to nursery and discuss there why there are no males. If you
would be real "social justice" warrior then you would not bash on GNU
and Richard Stallman, you would have some kind of humanitarian actions
that really improve society. Stallman does it. I don't know what you
do? You are joke police? Why not go into female' majority groups and
destroy them? If you are for "justice" then please show some fairness
in your doing.
I am sorry Samuel, I find your actions malicious. What are reasons for
that, I do not know. Obviously you have no reason, no logic, no
analysis, and you cannot review facts. You are overly emotional and
just living in your own world.
Watch this one:
https://sjwsucks.com/humor-and-jokes-on-sjws-and-easily-offended-people/Life-Through-the-Eyes-of-SJWs-or-Easily-Offended-People-they-will-abuse-you-for-political-correctness.html
Try stopping being offended for ridiculous things. You do yourself
nothing good.
Jean
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