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DATE 2019-10-12
FROM Jean Louis
SUBJECT Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?4oCYY2Vuc29yc2hpcOKAmQ==?=
* Dmitry Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> [2019-10-12 11:36]:
> David wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:11:51 +0300 Dmitry
> > Alexandrov <321942-at-gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You replied privately, offlist. Was it intentional? If yes, why: I see nothing secret there?
> >
> > Absolutely yes, and I did so as your mail to me was private.
>
> I’m sure it was not. :-)

Then maybe I forgot to press "g" in mutt.

> >> If no, may I resent it back to the list?
> >
> > If someone sends me a private mail I follow suit but I've nothing whatever to hide on this topic.
>
> I am interpreting this as ‘yes’.

My opinion related to GNU Project is public.

In my opinion, what happened is very same thing that Dr. Richard
Stallman already tried to say to somebody else:

Look here:
https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

"The injustice is in the word "assaulting". The term "sexual assault"
is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation:
taking claims that someone did X and leading people to think of it as
Y, which is much worse than X."

What happened is this:

Dr. Richard Stallman had some opinion not relevant to GNU Project free
operating system, and not relevant to FSF, and not relevant to free
software movement.

Somebody (probably on medium.com) has facilitated accusation inflation
by taking claims that RMS did X and have been leading people to think
of it as Y which is much worse than X.

Media has picked it up.

Few of purely technical and not free software movement ideological
members such as Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo have further
facilitated accusation inflation by taking claims that RMS did X and
are now loading people to think of it as Y, which is much worse than
X.

In my opinion those people who signed the defamatory and libelous
generalizations here
https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
shall basically either remove their feminist politics that they are
trying to introduce to GNU Project and Guix operating system, or they
shall be removed from GNU Project.

Why I say so?

It impacts freedom zero "The freedom to run the program as you wish"
in the sense that indirectly calls for users to either agree to this
or that other viewpoint but free software viewpoint.

We have free software community build around GNU for reason that GNU
Project was always politically independent.

Dr. Richard Stallman installed "The freedom to run the program as you
wish" with the full knowledge that such software can be run by anyone
for whatever purposes, which also implies: for purposes of genetical
engineering of babies, for purposes of wars, making wars and
preventing wars, for purposes of sex or elimination of sex, for
purposes of slander, defamation, or social betterment projects, free
software may be used as you wish, for purposes of helping people and
purposes of killing people.

Thus the GNU Project and GNU website was always apolitical in any
sense.

We got now few people like Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo, and few
others, be it 25 I do not know, who think that other social agenda,
beyond free software is more important for GNU project but free
software being apolitical and independent of those views.

That is what really happened.

It requires some clarity to be issued or enforced by GNU project, as
simple as that. The matter can be cleaned.

I don't care what people think of RMS beyond the GNU.ORG website, but
I do care if GNU.ORG and GNU Projects become platform for their
whatever political views others but free software politics.

Stallman keeps his blog on www.stallman.org that is why it is personal
blog and not GNU.ORG or FSF.ORG neither any of their subdomains.

Ludovic Courtès is afraid to publish his opinion on his personal
pages, because that would impact him so much, that is why he asked for
"collective" support. He would otherwise lose ground for whatever he
was doing in Guix, Guile and so on, everything comes back to him. Same
for Andy Wingo who knows nothing but to whine about Stallman without
mentioning even one fact.

People are speaking out in defense of GNU Project and defense of
Richard Stallman:

My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE

MIT scientist Richard Stallman taken down by vicious media smears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbQ1kc1vQU

There are thousands comments supporting GNU and also being afraid of
GNU project future without RMS.

Few "GNU maintainers" such as Ludovic Courtès and his Andy Wingo
friend, who are friends in France, country known for historical
censorship[1], are forming a Thoughtpolice Squad[2] for
thoughtcrime[3] of RMS.

GNU project and any of GNU project pages, shall not push forward ANY
KIND OF POLITICS other but free software. GNU Project was always
apolitical and will remain so, and if it does not, I will take over
all writings and policies of RMS and continue with it being
independent of any politics other but free software.

Ludovic Courtès and Andy Wingo and few others are introducing politics
into GNU Project, not other way around. RMS is not introducing any
politics into view project.

They are introducing fear, uncertainty and doubt into Guix free system
distribution, and not other way around.

Shall we now look into instances where somebody is against Islam, and
then bash Moslem software developers? No. We respect all religions and
everything else in GNU project, we don't mind. It is impacting freedom
zero if we do.

Shall we now look into instances where somebody uses GNU software for
wars in middle east or anywhere else? No, GNU project shall remain
independent of other politics but free software, as it would otherwise
impact freedom zero.

Shall we look upon various views of gender related issues and bash
people over how they declare genders? No, GNU project shall remain
independent, and it was always independent, and we shall respect all
people regardless of their political views, personal views, religion
and so on. GNU Project is about providing free software system, not
about introducing "feminism" or whatever politics they want to
introduce into GNU project and have all people agree to their
politics.

None of them on the list on that Guix page have done "free software
speeches", they have done speeches about the software itself, but did
not promote freedom, GNU, GPL or similar. They are opportunists by
definition. 1. opportunist, self-seeker -- (a person who places
expediency above principle)

They, Ludovic Courtès, Andy Wingo, and others who are introducing the
politics other but free software, into the free software movement,
shall go, and not RMS.

Jean


Footnotes:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia#France

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime
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  96. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  97. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  98. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  99. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  100. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  101. 2019-10-29 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  102. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  103. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  104. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [dinosaur] I can't see the skull
  105. 2019-10-29 DJ Delorie <dj-at-delorie.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  106. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [dinosaur] I can't see the skull
  107. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  108. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  109. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  110. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  111. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  112. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  113. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  114. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  115. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  116. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  117. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  118. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  119. 2019-10-29 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  120. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  121. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  122. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  123. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  124. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  125. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  126. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  127. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  128. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  129. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  130. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  131. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  132. 2019-10-28 Jean Louis <bugs-at-gnu.support> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  133. 2019-10-28 From: "Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)" <936-846-2769-at-kylheku.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  134. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  135. 2019-10-28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault-at-gnu.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  136. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  137. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  138. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  139. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  140. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  141. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [dinosaur] I can't see the skull
  142. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  143. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] GNU project _does_ discriminate contributors
  144. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  145. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  146. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  147. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  148. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  149. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] gnu-misc-discuss-at-gnu.org is premoderated
  150. 2019-10-29 From: "Greg Farough, DBD" <info-at-defectivebydesign.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] IDAD 2019: Thank you for defending the right to
  151. 2019-10-29 Shorefront News <donotreply-at-wordpress.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [New post] First Reorganization in Half a Century
  152. 2019-10-30 Marcel <mve1-at-runbox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Support for RMS and criticism of the
  153. 2019-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  154. 2019-10-30 Sandra Loosemore <sandra-at-codesourcery.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  155. 2019-10-30 Sandra Loosemore <sandra-at-codesourcery.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  156. 2019-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  157. 2019-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  158. 2019-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  159. 2019-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: [dinosaur] CALL - PhD position in
  160. 2019-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  161. 2019-10-31 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Hold the date for a November social meeting
  162. 2019-10-31 From: "Greg Farough, FSF" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Last call for Free Software Awards nominations:
  163. 2019-10-31 ams-at-gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Re: Need of ‘stubborn governance’
  164. 2019-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  165. 2019-10-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)
  166. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  167. 2019-10-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  168. 2019-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
  169. 2019-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Women and GNU and RMS (was Re: something else)

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