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DATE 2017-04-09
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Free Schools?
New York Adopts Free Tuition
SUNY and CUNY students from families with incomes up to $125,000 will
not pay tuition. But some aid experts are alarmed by requirement that
graduates stay in state for same number of years they receive the benefit.
By Scott Jaschik
April 8, 2017
38 COMMENTS


Governor Andrew Cuomo announces his plan for free tuition.

In what proponents are calling a historic move, New York Governor Andrew
Cuomo and state legislative leaders announced a deal Saturday that will
make tuition free at the City University of New York and State
University of New York Systems -- for both community colleges and
four-year colleges and universities -- for families with annual incomes
up to $125,000. The plan will be phased in over three years, starting
this fall with new enrollees from families with incomes up to $100,000.
The governor's office estimates that nearly 940,000 families in New York
State will be eligible for free public college tuition when the plan is
fully phased in.
The announcement from the governor also noted a "generous maintenance of
effort" provision to protect SUNY and CUNY budgets. The provision is
designed to address the fear of some educators that free tuition could
reduce the pressure to provide adequate budgets to public higher education.
At the same time, a last-minute addition to the bill is alarming some
student aid experts, including advocates for free public college
tuition. The agreement requires those who receive free tuition to live
and work in the state for the same number of years that they receive the
awards. If they do not, the scholarships would convert to student loans.
The requirement may be deferred if recipients leave the state to
complete their undergraduate education, to enroll in graduate school or
because of "extreme hardship."
The budget deal also contains two other measures related to college
affordability:
$8 million will be provided for promoting and distributing open
educational resources (free online education materials) for SUNY and
CUNY students. The systems have been urged to focus on high-enrollment
courses, with the goal of minimizing or eliminating textbook costs for
those courses.
A new grant program will be created for students who attend private
colleges in the state, with a maximum award of $3,000. However, private
colleges would be required to match the grants, and to freeze tuition
for the duration of a student's grant.
Revival of Free Tuition and the Public-Private Split
The action in New York represents a revival of the free tuition concept
-- which featured prominently in the presidential campaigns of Bernie
Sanders and Hillary Clinton last year and then was widely seen as dead
after Donald Trump defeated Clinton in November. But Cuomo -- with
Sanders at his side -- proposed a version of the plan in January and
fought hard for it in negotiations with legislative leaders. Sanders,
meanwhile, has also introduced a new version of his free-tuition plan in
the U.S. Senate.
Cuomo also battled against private colleges in New York State, most of
which opposed the plan. Many New York private colleges largely enroll
state residents, and some of these colleges' leaders have feared a loss
of enrollment to the SUNY and CUNY systems. Generally, the plan was a
tougher sell for Cuomo in the Senate than in the Assembly. But major
legislative initiatives in New York tend to be adopted or rejected as
part of the overall state budget -- and in this case the Cuomo proposal
made it into the final deal.
Many private college leaders opposed the Clinton and Sanders
free-tuition plans, and a similar split played out in New York.
On Saturday, as college leaders studied the legislative language,
reactions split between public and private institutions.
Gail Mellow, president of LaGuardia Community College of the City
University of New York, said she thought the new policy was
"extraordinary" and would lead to dramatic shifts in college attendance
in the state. She said too many in New York and elsewhere "have blown
through their aid attending for-profit schools and leaving without
skills." The free-tuition model will "change the discussion" in the
state and attract many more students to community college, she believes.
"This is going to change the college-going culture," she said, "by
taking tuition off the table."
Nancy Zimpher, chancellor of the State University of New York, said she
too expects the greatest impact at community colleges, which the vast
majority of students attend without room and board costs. But she said
that New York State had also changed the free-tuition discussion by
including four-year public institutions.
"We may be on the precipice" of a new era, of promoting the idea that
many more people need a four-year education than have earned bachelor's
degrees in the past, and this would be a historic shift, she said.
Zimpher also noted that the bill includes requirements that students
enroll full time and maintain minimum grade point averages. This will
"move the completion dial," she said.
But for Mary Beth Labate, president of the Commission on Independent
Colleges and Universities in New York, the news was "dispiriting."
"There is a clear divide in the way students will be treated, depending
on whether they go to a public or private institution," she said, adding
that the Cuomo plan is poor public policy, given the excellent outcomes
for those who attend private colleges.
As to the new funds for private college students, Labate said she wasn't
sure that many institutions would find the program viable. She said the
requirement that colleges freeze tuition for students when they first
receive the aid would appear to mean colleges would end up with
different tuition rates for students in different classes, and would
have to track the students.
"This would be bureaucratically difficult," she said. "Colleges would
have to ask if it was worth it."
The Requirement to Stay in the State
As news of the budget deal spread, one provision drew criticism from
advocates for free public higher education. That is the provision that
would require recipients to work or live in the state after graduation
for the same number of years that they receive support (which presumably
would be up to four years, given the requirements that students enroll
full time).
Sara Goldrick-Rab, one such advocate and a professor of higher education
policy and sociology at Temple University, posted a series of highly
critical tweets on the provision, calling it "extortion," "bad public
policy" and a "trick." Other aid experts agreed.
Indeed, historically, many scholars of aid policy have said that trying
to "tether" students to states won't work, and that graduates will
follow jobs elsewhere. But many of those debates have been about states
such as Maine that have been losing recent college graduates to other
states with more jobs.
SUNY and CUNY, unlike many public systems in other states, have not
heavily pushed out-of-state recruitment. As a result, both systems
overwhelmingly enroll New York State residents and report that 80-plus
percent (higher for CUNY and high for most community colleges) stay in
the state after graduation.
Marc Cohen, president of the SUNY Student Assembly, said that his group
believes public higher education should be free "without strings," and
that he would not want a recent SUNY or CUNY graduate to pay a financial
cost "for taking a great job out of the state."
At the same time, he said that he didn't see the provision having an
impact on most students. "New York State is the greatest state in the
union, and there are great opportunities here," said Cohen, a master's
student at (and undergraduate alumnus of) SUNY's Albany campus.
Cohen said the big story was really about the opportunities free tuition
would provide. "An affordable and accessible higher education will now
be available to many more people," he said. Cohen said he saw the
program "propelling New York State to being the leader in public higher
education."
What Wasn't in the Bill
The free tuition plan is now part of the New York State budget. As
lobbying over Cuomo's proposal intensified, debate was most fraught over
two proposals that were not in the final deal.
One was proposed by Cuomo. That was to impose limits on how much private
colleges could increase tuition if they wanted in-state students to
remain eligible for grants under the Tuition Assistance Program, which
is one of the most generous student aid programs in the country. Private
college officials said that the tuition limits were inappropriate to
impose on colleges, whose independence should include the right to set
their own tuition rates. While New York State's private colleges include
some relatively well-endowed institutions that attract national student
bodies, most of the colleges depend on tuition for their budgets and
enroll almost entirely students from within the state.
The other was an idea -- rumored in the last two weeks -- that the state
would pay for free tuition in part with a 10 percent tax on unrestricted
gifts to SUNY campuses. This idea (which Cuomo said he opposed) worried
many SUNY leaders. But this, too, was not in the final deal.
An Old Idea/A New Idea
Free tuition for public higher education is not a new idea. Many public
colleges -- including City College of CUNY -- were founded that way. For
a time, all of CUNY was tuition-free, but that ended in 1976, with New
York City facing a fiscal crisis.
The idea was always on the wish list of various activist groups but was
largely dismissed by political leaders as unrealistic.
Then in 2014, Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam, a Republican, proposed and
quickly won approval for making community college free in his state. It
was the Tennessee plan that led President Obama to propose in 2015 a
state-federal partnership that would have made community college free in
participating states.
Congress never acted on the Obama proposal, but many individual
community college districts -- in particular in California -- have
embraced the idea with a variety of approaches to free community college.
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  86. 2017-04-02 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Is the internet dead
  87. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Is the internet dead
  88. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Is the internet dead
  89. 2017-04-02 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  90. 2017-04-02 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  91. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  92. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  93. 2017-04-02 hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com You have been unsubscribed from the Hangout mailing list
  94. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] posted thesis
  95. 2017-04-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  96. 2017-04-02 From: "New York Sun" <editor-at-nysun.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Legacy Liberalism v. Gorsuch
  97. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  98. 2017-04-03 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #297 - Teams and the Pull Request
  99. 2017-04-03 From: "IEEE ComSoc Meetings" <noreply-at-comsoc.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IEEE GLOBECOM'17 Paper deadline extended to 15
  100. 2017-04-02 John Bowler <john.cunningham.bowler-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] libpng-1.5.29beta01,
  101. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  102. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  103. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  104. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  105. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  106. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  107. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] worth a look
  108. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] 8th ACM/SPEC International Conference on
  109. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IBM unveils Blockchain as a Service based on
  110. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Defender of the DMCA now wants to protect your
  111. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The Conservative Case Against Trashing Online
  112. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Internet Privacy Furor Is a Preview of the
  113. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] More than Just Another Anti-Israel U.N. Farce
  114. 2017-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Nikki Haley - Your next candidate for President?
  115. 2017-04-03 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Settlers of Catan (Brooklyn Version)
  116. 2017-04-03 Pharmacist e-Link <communications-at-pharmacistelink.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The Hidden Monopolies That Raise Drug Prices |
  117. 2017-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Privacy and Optimum
  118. 2017-04-02 eminker-at-gmail.com Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  119. 2017-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Privacy and Optimum
  120. 2017-04-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  121. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] list of darknet markets
  122. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] For this we have time for Life in Prision
  123. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  124. 2017-04-05 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: [manjaro-dev] How Manjaro Can Evolve
  125. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  126. 2017-04-05 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Happy Birthday Ruben
  127. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Jerusalem
  128. 2017-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Jerusalem
  129. 2017-04-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Spring Bombs
  130. 2017-04-05 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] May 1 ny.pm technical meeting: Mark Overmeer on
  131. 2017-04-05 From: "Deutsch, Chaim" <CDeutsch-at-council.nyc.gov> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] THE DEUTSCH REPORT: News From Councilman Chaim
  132. 2017-04-05 Mathew Shires <mathew.shires-at-nqc.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Ekiga-list] Phone Number instead of SIP address?
  133. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  134. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] For this we have time for Life in Prision
  135. 2017-04-07 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [isoc-ny] VIDEO: Internet Privacy Technology and
  136. 2017-04-03 Pharmacist e-Link <communications-at-pharmacistelink.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The Hidden Monopolies That Raise Drug Prices |
  137. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] I need a job that is not a pharmacist
  138. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Ariel found the info
  139. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  140. 2017-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  141. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] lastlog errors
  142. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Patrolling the Dark Net,
  143. 2017-04-04 From: "soledad.esteban" <soledad.esteban-at-icp.cat> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [dinosaur] Course The Use of Phylogenies in the
  144. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  145. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Free Software in Biology
  146. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Free Schools?
  147. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Why you suck.... Obamacare
  148. 2017-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Response to insanity over healthcare debate
  149. 2017-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
  150. 2017-04-10 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #298 - Perl Conferences and
  151. 2017-04-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Chag Simeach - Happy Passover
  152. 2017-04-10 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Chag Simeach - Happy Passover
  153. 2017-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] no more owner
  154. 2017-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] fsdhfdjks
  155. 2017-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  156. 2017-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] More trademark problems ... again
  157. 2017-04-13 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?4oCYQ2hhcmdpbmcgQnVsbOKAmSBhcnRpc3Qg?=
  158. 2017-04-13 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS]
  159. 2017-04-13 Dann Pigdon <dannj-at-alphalink.com.au> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [dinosaur] Main goals in future dinosaur
  160. 2017-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [dinosaur] Main goals in future dinosaur
  161. 2017-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] More trademark problems ... again
  162. 2017-04-13 Dann Pigdon <dannj-at-alphalink.com.au> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [dinosaur] Main goals in future dinosaur
  163. 2017-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  164. 2017-04-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  165. 2017-04-13 From: "National Parents Organization" <Parents-at-NationalParentsOrganization.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Advocates: Let's Get Together!!
  166. 2017-04-14 From: "jm-at-missinglynx.net" <jm-at-missinglynx.net> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [lugip] Fwd: Senior Linux Systems Engineer
  167. 2017-04-14 Daniel Madzia <daniel.madzia-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [dinosaur] Bringing Palaeontology to People
  168. 2017-04-15 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Manjaro_Linux=3A_Philip_M=FCller?= <jonathon-at-manjaro.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=5Bmanjaro-general=5D_=5BStable_Upda?=
  169. 2017-04-15 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Manjaro_Linux=3A_Philip_M=FCller?= <jonathon-at-manjaro.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?=5Bmanjaro-general=5D_=5BStable_Upda?=
  170. 2017-04-16 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Pakistan PM says he is shocked by blasphemy
  171. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] movies of the week
  172. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Guess this artwork
  173. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The real AI transformation has taken root
  174. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The new excuse for newpseak
  175. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] neural nets
  176. 2017-04-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] neural nets
  177. 2017-04-17 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #299 - She's back!
  178. 2017-04-18 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Guess this artwork
  179. 2017-04-18 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Guess this artwork
  180. 2017-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Guess this artwork
  181. 2017-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Future Studies in Israel
  182. 2017-04-18 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Guess this artwork
  183. 2017-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] need feedback
  184. 2017-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Computational Mathematics in Biology - R
  185. 2017-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Computational Mathematics in Biology - R
  186. 2017-04-19 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] 3d images
  187. 2017-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  188. 2017-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] jobs
  189. 2017-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] jobs
  190. 2017-04-19 James E Keenan <jkeenan-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] TPC-2017: Preview of talks is now available
  191. 2017-04-21 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] jobs: state government of New York
  192. 2017-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] jobs: state government of New York
  193. 2017-04-21 Manjaro summary <noreply-at-manjaro.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Manjaro] Summary
  194. 2017-04-21 Manjaro summary <noreply-at-manjaro.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Manjaro] Summary
  195. 2017-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  196. 2017-04-20 Center for Arts & Culture at Restoration <ietwaroo-at-restorationplaza.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The Billie Holiday Theatre Reopens | Their Eyes
  197. 2017-04-20 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cybersecurity and You - Hear from the Experts
  198. 2017-04-22 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  199. 2017-04-22 Frank Greco <fgreco-at-crossroadstech.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [wwwac] #NYJavaSIG May 4 - Java on Mobile: Write
  200. 2017-04-22 Glenn Randers-Pehrson <glennrp-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] libpng-1.6.30beta02 is
  201. 2017-04-22 Glenn Randers-Pehrson <glennrp-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] New libpng ftp site at
  202. 2017-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  203. 2017-04-24 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] More trademark problems ... again
  204. 2017-04-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: [dinosaur] Soft tissue,
  205. 2017-04-23 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #300 - 300th issue of Perl Weekly
  206. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] More trademark problems ... again
  207. 2017-04-25 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: re: a variety of positions
  208. 2017-04-25 From: "Pat Schloss" <pschloss-at-umich.edu> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [mothur] Postdoctoral training opportunity in
  209. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Copyright Wars Orchastras 2011
  210. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Ignoring the local student
  211. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Linux Laptops
  212. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IOT - Linux things
  213. 2017-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] docker updates
  214. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] feedback on my cv
  215. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] latex
  216. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Jobs - this time in Israel
  217. 2017-04-26 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Linux Laptops: | | "physical kill switch".
  218. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Pharmacy legal issues
  219. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Linux Laptops: | | "physical kill switch".
  220. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Nw York, New York, just like I pictured it
  221. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Linux Laptops: | | "physical kill switch".
  222. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] You Can Blame Pharmacy Benefit Managers for
  223. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The Hidden Monopolies That Raise Drug Prices
  224. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Totally fucked
  225. 2017-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] I need 5 volunteers for Thursday, May 11, 2017
  226. 2017-04-26 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] robin on donald
  227. 2017-04-26 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I need 5 volunteers for Thursday, May 11,
  228. 2017-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I need 5 volunteers for Thursday, May 11,
  229. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I need 5 volunteers for Thursday, May 11,
  230. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  231. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Hangout-NYLXS] Journal Club meeting?
  232. 2017-04-28 Mark Halegua <phantom21-at-mindspring.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  233. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  234. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  235. 2017-04-28 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  236. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] NYLXS Journal
  237. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] death of culture
  238. 2017-04-28 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [isoc-ny] WEBCAST FRI/SAT/SUN: Space Apps
  239. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Make or break: continuous testing
  240. 2017-04-28 Gipson Pulla <gipson.pulla-at-oracle.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] MySQL Connector/J 5.1.42 has been released
  241. 2017-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] death of culture
  242. 2017-04-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Ohio LinuxFest 2017 Call for Presentations
  243. 2017-04-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] celmatix

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