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| DATE | 2017-04-07 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] free desktop SUCKS
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On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 03:47:45PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Fixing edit error (in case anyone was confused)
>
>
> > But since you mention 'Debian's desktops are broken', I will describe
> > what I keep seeing:
> >
> > 1. Naive user tries Debian-stable by default,
I've seen this and read this on the net and yes..it is a problem
but not the Naive user.
Regardless
But FWIW, the Naive User was and is most often RMS. And I am aware that
stable is like slackware
>> immediately complains
> > 'All the versions are so ancient!' Someone says 'You could
> > try the Debian-testing branch, but will need to understand
> > package-quarantining and the security implications of being
> > on that branch.' User is also warned not to do the bonehead
> > maneuver of mixing package sources from Debian-stable and
> > Debian-testing (or Debian-unstable).
> >
> > 2. User switches tracks to Debian-testing, and at first is jubilant
> > about cutting-edge versions. But then, individual apps or the DE
> > metapackage cannot be updated for a week at a time because some
> > necessary lib hasn't cleared the nightly quarantining script on
> > the build masters, and user has no idea how to deal with this
> > because he/she didn't bother to understand package-quarantining.
> > Someone says 'You could try the Debian-unstable branch', but
> > will need to deal with the lack of build-time quality control
> > from quarantining scripts, with the consequence that occasionally
> > a newly uploaded package version with some breakage the dev failed
> > to catch goes through, and you'll need to be able to deal with
> > that. Remember: We absolutely do not guarantee that everything
> > on Debian-unstable works all the time, even though all 1000-plus
> > Debian developers run Debian-unstable 24x7 and rely on it for
> > production purposes. Don't bother about some little thing being
> > broken. You were warned about that possibility by the name.'
> >
> > 3. User switches tracks to Debian-testing, and at first is jubilant
> ^^^^^^^ 'unstable'
> > about how even hairball metapackages are always installable,
> > but then some lib arrives that has an irritating and easily
> > fixed error in its postinst script, and because the package ends
> > up in a half-installed state, apt-get and dpkg refuse to work.
> > User lacks the common sense to cite the error on #debian and
> > be told how to patch the postinst script. User hits LD50 level
> > of frurstration and dies.
> >
> > 4. Only kidding. User does the usual dumb thing of distro-hopping
> > at this point without bothering to understand the problem.
> >
The only time I have used debian has been when someone brings it to an
installfest or when a guest brings it and currently I live with
Trisequel on my desktop.
For 20+ years I was extremely happy with SuSE versions on my desktop
> > User could have avoided all of this headache and wasted time by being
> > smarter, e.g., either do desktop computing without a DE and with his/her
> > choice of highly-congenial window manager, _or_ using a maintained
> > desktop fork based on continuously stabilised Debian-unstable, such
> > as those from the Siduction distro.'
>
>
> I've _actually_ seen this cycle of folly gone through multiple times by
> multiple half-assed people kicking the tires of Debian, who then wander
> around the Internet proclaiming 'Debian is broken on the desktop'.
>
> I have a feeling the 1000-plus Debian developers really don't care about
> this frequent error, because they'd prefer that such people leave and
> go to Ubuntu or some such place.
I have no doubt about this.
You consider that a good thing? I don't.
>But I just wanted to describe the
> error syndrome pro bono publico.
>
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